11 years ago

On a related note, would you be willing to suffer through a year to two years of rebuilding if it meant winning a super bowl? Winning the super bowl and having to gut your team and let quality key players go is a good problem to have. Definitely not a Packers Problem with the way Ted builds teams.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Definitely. With the way things are now its almost impossible to form a dynasty.
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steveishere
11 years ago

Definitely. With the way things are now its almost impossible to form a dynasty.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



That's not how it works though. You can't guarantee a Superbowl no matter what you do. Running a team so that you have to rebuild every couple of years only guarantees that you WONT win a Superbowl every couple years.
musccy
11 years ago

On a related note, would you be willing to suffer through a year to two years of rebuilding if it meant winning a super bowl? Winning the super bowl and having to gut your team and let quality key players go is a good problem to have. Definitely not a Packers Problem with the way Ted builds teams.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 




..and how do you build a team to guarantee you win the Super Bowl every 3 years? Draft well? 31 other teams try to do that. Free Agency? No guarantees there, see Albert Haynesworth, Namdi Asamougah, Matt Flynn...

The Packers don't have desirable key players? Greg Jennings got 9 mil/year, Cullen was paid 4-5 mil off memory, Colledge signed for 27.5 over 5 years, we'll see with guys like James Jones, Finley, and Starks this year.


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11 years ago

..and how do you build a team to guarantee you win the Super Bowl every 3 years? Draft well? 31 other teams try to do that. Free Agency? No guarantees there, see Albert Haynesworth, Namdi Asamougah, Matt Flynn...

The Packers don't have desirable key players? Greg Jennings got 9 mil/year, Cullen was paid 4-5 mil off memory, Colledge signed for 27.5 over 5 years, we'll see with guys like James Jones, Finley, and Starks this year.


Originally Posted by: musccy 



Jenkins was a 5 year $25 mil deal. Scott Wells 4 year $24 mil.


There is no "one way" to guarantee a SB or even making the playoffs. Limiting your options by not using FAs is as shortsighted as letting your vets leave to become FAs.
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QCHuskerFan
11 years ago
Super Bowl champion Seahawks have the #26 pass offense. Obviously they suck.

I learned something new today. I didn't know it was more important to have a high ranked defense than to win games. Silly me. I thought 15-1 >10-6. I guess the Houston Texans were better than the Broncos this year because their defense was ranked a lot higher...
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

On a related note, would you be willing to suffer through a year to two years of rebuilding if it meant winning a super bowl? Winning the super bowl and having to gut your team and let quality key players go is a good problem to have. Definitely not a Packers Problem with the way Ted builds teams.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I think if it was guaranteed a SB win most people would. But unfortunately we can't guarantee it.

I do think we can give a little extra every 3-4 years while not requiring rebuilding. If they really have faith in their draft and develop strategy, they should have the faith that the players they are bringing in to develop will be able to replace the people who end up being let go after taking a shot at the title.

To use the current team as an example. If we don't do anything extra this year, I would give us a 75% chance of making the playoffs next season, either as a division winner or wildcard. And with Rodgers like with Favre we will more than likely be in the playoff hunt every year. Where even if we have to let a few players go after making a more serious attempt to win the big game, we should still be contenders because of our QB.

So say we sign Byrd and say Orakpo or some other pass rusher to fill our defensive needs and maybe a FA to add competition on the Oline, the odds of us being a SB contender would go way up. But in doing so, we will lose Tramon, Jordy, Sitton and Lang the following two seasons.

If you ask me, yes you do it if you believe those holes filled make enough better a team. And while we will lose players we like, we have faith that we will be able to replace them with our drafting.
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11 years ago

Super Bowl champion Seahawks have the #26 pass offense. Obviously they suck.

I learned something new today. I didn't know it was more important to have a high ranked defense than to win games. Silly me. I thought 15-1 >10-6. I guess the Houston Texans were better than the Broncos this year because their defense was ranked a lot higher...

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Sigh. QC the last time I checked there were 3 parts to a team. Offense, defense and special teams.

A team can be 15-1 and that is due almost exclusively to the efforts of their offense. The Bears in 2006 made it to the SB based on their defense and ST. They won some games without the offense even getting a TD.

The 2011 Packers defense was subpar. It takes more than just one area (you mentioned Seattle's pass defense) to make the whole unit poor. GB was poor across the board.

Seattle has the #1 defense in fewest yards allowed.
They led the league in interceptions.
They had 39 turnovers which at a glance looks like they led the league in that category too.
They were #7 in rush defense.

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I have no idea where you got your numbers but they were #1 in pass defense. They gave up a mere 172  yards per game. Next closest was NO ate 194 yards a game.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Super Bowl champion Seahawks have the #26 pass offense. Obviously they suck.

I learned something new today. I didn't know it was more important to have a high ranked defense than to win games. Silly me. I thought 15-1 >10-6. I guess the Houston Texans were better than the Broncos this year because their defense was ranked a lot higher...

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



I think 10 - 6 with a ring is better than 15 - 1 with an embarrassing loss in the playoffs.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

That's not how it works though. You can't guarantee a Superbowl no matter what you do. Running a team so that you have to rebuild every couple of years only guarantees that you WONT win a Superbowl every couple years.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Seattle got more than a little bit lucky with a lot of low round picks and UDFAs (or skillful if we choose to look at it that way). Even Russell Wilson fits in that category. Who knew he would be THAT good? They did, however, pull the trigger on a couple real FAs that maybe put them over the top.

I basically agree with you - and to some extent, I even agree with the Thompson way. I just think he has played it too close to the belt.

You can say Thompson is doing a good job because he puts the Packers in position to win it all every year OR you can say Aaron Rodgers puts the Packers in position to win every year, and Thompson has failed the past few seasons to get them over the top. I choose the latter. I wouldn't want Thompson to go hog wild in free agency, but he certainly coulda and shoulda done a little more than he has done. Hopefully this year is the year he pulls the trigger - the team having been badly exposed when Rodgers went down.


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DakotaT
11 years ago
I don't think any of you knows shit from shinola. When we have a championship caliber team again, I'll let you know. Until then keep pissing in the wind.
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