wpr
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11 years ago

The Green Bay Packers’ David Bakhtiari went into Sunday’s game against the San Francisco 49ers for an extra-point attempt despite being diagnosed with a concussion and not being cleared.

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Yeah he is a bad boy. But it is difficult to keep players on the sidelines when their team needs them.
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nerdmann
11 years ago
The injury hadn't been confirmed. You can't sit on the sideline everytime a trainer wants to look at you. Sometimes your presence is called for on the field.
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11 years ago

The injury hadn't been confirmed. You can't sit on the sideline everytime a trainer wants to look at you. Sometimes your presence is called for on the field.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



actually the new concussion protocol rules stipulate they remain on the sidelines UNTIL they are released to play again. Sort of like being guilty until proven innocent.
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steveishere
11 years ago

The injury hadn't been confirmed. You can't sit on the sideline everytime a trainer wants to look at you. Sometimes your presence is called for on the field.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If they start checking you for a concussion you cannot go on the field until you are cleared. Nothing has to be confirmed.
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11 years ago
My view of concussion protocols and the like has taken a dramatic turn in the last few weeks.

I managed to concuss myself by falling hard on the ice the Friday before Christmas. Didn't get knocked out, got up, loaded my car, drove home (10 miles). By the time I got home, I had realized I needed to see a doctor.

Fortunately for me, I made it home without an accident, and fortunately my clinic is only a block walk from where I live.

Three weeks later, I'm still in a fog. Sleep issues. Anxiety issues (my poor dog -- I no more than sit down, he settles in my lap, and I then feel compelled to jump up and ... be foggy.

I definitely shouldn't have driven that day. I probably shouldn't be driving yet, but, well, some things have to get done and I'm the only one here to do them.

But it gives a new perspective -- because unlike when I go to the grocery store today and I can assess the risks of driving be-fogged, that was not the case on the day of the injury. Because while I was able to "decide" to drive home, the reality was my brain wasn't just fogged, it was deluded. Today, I'm driving impaired. That day, I was driving impaired AND unaware that I was doing so.

So count me among those who likes the "guilty until proven innocent" rules that the NFL now has with respect to concussions. Because if Bahktiari had one, he wasn't in a position to decide.




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wpr
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11 years ago

My view of concussion protocols and the like has taken a dramatic turn in the last few weeks.

I managed to concuss myself by falling hard on the ice the Friday before Christmas. Didn't get knocked out, got up, loaded my car, drove home (10 miles). By the time I got home, I had realized I needed to see a doctor.

Fortunately for me, I made it home without an accident, and fortunately my clinic is only a block walk from where I live.

Three weeks later, I'm still in a fog. Sleep issues. Anxiety issues (my poor dog -- I no more than sit down, he settles in my lap, and I then feel compelled to jump up and ... be foggy.

I definitely shouldn't have driven that day. I probably shouldn't be driving yet, but, well, some things have to get done and I'm the only one here to do them.

But it gives a new perspective -- because unlike when I go to the grocery store today and I can assess the risks of driving be-fogged, that was not the case on the day of the injury. Because while I was able to "decide" to drive home, the reality was my brain wasn't just fogged, it was deluded. Today, I'm driving impaired. That day, I was driving impaired AND unaware that I was doing so.

So count me among those who likes the "guilty until proven innocent" rules that the NFL now has with respect to concussions. Because if Bahktiari had one, he wasn't in a position to decide.



Originally Posted by: Wade 



I recall there were a couple of catchers in baseball that had to retire because they continued to be foggy as you put it a year later. It just seemed so strange when I first heard about it. I was concussed playing of all things softball and had a brother that got one playing HS football. He was the best player on the team and wouldn't leave the field (Made All State his Sr year.) The next day we were both fine. Not all concussions are the same.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

If they start checking you for a concussion you cannot go on the field until you are cleared. Nothing has to be confirmed.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Yes, but this is a collision sport. Do they need to start checking people after every hit?
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wpr
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11 years ago

Yes, but this is a collision sport. Do they need to start checking people after every hit?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Some day it may get to that. They are not there yet. I would not be surprised if they have little lights on their helmets and when they take a hard it hit glows blue which means they have to leave the field and get checked out.
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Cheesey
11 years ago

My view of concussion protocols and the like has taken a dramatic turn in the last few weeks.

I managed to concuss myself by falling hard on the ice the Friday before Christmas. Didn't get knocked out,

Three weeks later, I'm still in a fog. Sleep issues. Anxiety issues (my poor dog -- I no more than sit down, he settles in my lap, and I then feel compelled to jump up and ... be foggy.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Wow......It's like I could have written the same thing.
Remember last May, when I was hit by a car when walking? My head hit the pavement, and I got a concussion too. (Split my head open, BIG puddle of blood). I don't know if I was knocked out for a few seconds or not. It happened so fast.
Anyway, I'm having the same problems as you. Feel like I'm in a fog, can't sleep, anxiety which causes me to jump up and not sit still. It's driving my wife nuts. She yells at me to sit still and relax. But I feel like I can't.
Fidgiting with my hands constantly. It's frustrating.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

Wow......It's like I could have written the same thing.
Remember last May, when I was hit by a car when walking? My head hit the pavement, and I got a concussion too. (Split my head open, BIG puddle of blood). I don't know if I was knocked out for a few seconds or not. It happened so fast.
Anyway, I'm having the same problems as you. Feel like I'm in a fog, can't sleep, anxiety which causes me to jump up and not sit still. It's driving my wife nuts. She yells at me to sit still and relax. But I feel like I can't.
Fidgiting with my hands constantly. It's frustrating.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Have you gotten any scalp acupuncture? Also, nourish blood and heart yin. Harmonize shen.
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