dhpackr
11 years ago

Really? No need to be snarky on the subject. Truth is, we have been one of the most injured teams in the NFL for 4 years in a row. You can't see a problem with that?Player availability was one of Mike McCarthy's key goals coming into this season. How did that work out?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



IMO, we played poor defense, that's why we lost. Not injuries...No conditioning coach can help CMIII, or Mike Neal.....

AJ got beat by Vernon Davis, Micah Hyde dropped a int, so did Williams...We just played poorly, and did not take advantage of great opportunities and got beat...

nothing to do with conditioning...

just sayin...

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musccy
11 years ago

Really? No need to be snarky on the subject. Truth is, we have been one of the most injured teams in the NFL for 4 years in a row. You can't see a problem with that?Player availability was one of Mike McCarthy's key goals coming into this season. How did that work out?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I'm being snarky because I get sick of reading these vague generalizations people keep posting today to be masqueraded as facts. The team isn't tough because they don't condition and lift?!? How do you KNOW this team doesn't lift/condition, and how do you know that doesn't make them tough? Furthermore, the general implication behind this thread is lifting/conditioning was the reason for the injuries this year, but REALLY?

Broken thumb, collarbone, tibia, Sam Shields getting rolled up on for a knee injury, Bahktiari's concussion - what conditioning (and now that "conditioning" is apparently synonymous with "toughness, so what "toughness routine") is going to fix those issues??

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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago
Last 5 seasons Most injured based on number of IR players

Jaguars 62
Panthers 55
Colts 53
Bills 51
Redskins 51
Bucs 50

Giants 49
Pats 49
Texans 49
Packers 49

Packers have had 09' - 8, 10' - 13, 11' - 4, 12' - 10, 13' - 14

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
play2win
11 years ago

IMO, we played poor defense, that's why we lost. Not injuries...No conditioning coach can help CMIII, or Mike Neal.....

AJ got beat by Vernon Davis, Micah Hyde dropped a int, so did Williams...We just played poorly, and did not take advantage of great opportunities and got beat...

nothing to do with conditioning...

just sayin...

Originally Posted by: dhpackr 



Don't get me wrong, we have talent issues on both sides of the ball, and that does enter into the equation. However, we had many players who we could have used yesterday, but were not healthy enough to play:

Barrington hamstring
Bulaga ACL
Francois achilles
Hayward hamstring
Jolly neck
Nixon knee cartilage
…all of them on IR, probably the two most important losses for yesterday's game being Barrington and Hayward, both with hammys.

As a rule, do you consider Mike Neal to be "tough?" How available has he been over the last 3 years? We simply have had too many injuries these past 4 years, and not just too many, but oftentimes double what other teams are experiencing. EVERY YEAR FOR 4 YEARS! And, many here want to give Lovat yet another FREE PASS! wow.

Coaching, talent and health require upgrades on this Packers team. All 3 areas must be addressed. I would start by ditching Lovat and his crew, and replacing them with the best strength & conditioning group I could find.
PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

Don't get me wrong, we have talent issues on both sides of the ball, and that does enter into the equation. However, we had many players who we could have used yesterday, but were not healthy enough to play:

Barrington hamstring
Bulaga ACL
Francois achilles
Hayward hamstring
Jolly neck
Nixon knee cartilage
…all of them on IR, probably the two most important losses for yesterday's game being Barrington and Hayward, both with hammys.

As a rule, do you consider Mike Neal to be "tough?" How available has he been over the last 3 years? We simply have had too many injuries these past 4 years, and not just too many, but oftentimes double what other teams are experiencing. EVERY YEAR FOR 4 YEARS! And, many here want to give Lovat yet another FREE PASS! wow.

Coaching, talent and health require upgrades on this Packers team. All 3 areas must be addressed. I would start by ditching Lovat and his crew, and replacing them with the best strength & conditioning group I could find.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Lovat was in charge in 2011 when there was only 4 players on IR. What is wrong with his program, what is different from others?

Truth be told, you have no idea what his conditioning program is?
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
play2win
11 years ago

Last 5 seasons Most injured based on number of IR players

Jaguars 62
Panthers 55
Colts 53
Bills 51
Redskins 51
Bucs 50

Giants 49
Pats 49
Texans 49
Packers 49

Packers have had 09' - 8, 10' - 13, 11' - 4, 12' - 10, 13' - 14

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



14, 10 and 13 players on IR going back to 2010. I believe those numbers rank us top 7 or worse 3 out of the 4 years… we were #2 this year behind CAR with 15.
play2win
11 years ago

Lovat was in charge in 2011 when there was only 4 players on IR. What is wrong with his program, what is different from others?

Truth be told, you have no idea what his conditioning program is?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



and you do?
PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

and you do?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I'm not the one calling for any bodies job without knowing anything about his program.

Some players are always available under the same conditioning program where others are not? That seems more like the players not the program.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
musccy
11 years ago
What conditioning program would have helped with these injuries:

AR - broken bone
Cobb - broken bone
CM3 - broken bone
Jolly - neck injury
Finley - concussion/neck injury
Sherrod - broken bone
Franklin - concussion

I could keep going, and you could debatably add the ACL injuries of Worthy and Bulaga to this list as well, but point being that injuries happen in football. Hamstring issues are a concern, but they're also not exclusive to the Packers' roster.
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Dulak
11 years ago

What conditioning program would have helped with these injuries:

Aaron Rodgers - broken bone
Cobb - broken bone
CM3 - broken bone
Jolly - neck injury
Finley - concussion/neck injury
Sherrod - broken bone
Franklin - concussion

I could keep going, and you could debatably add the ACL injuries of Worthy and Bulaga to this list as well, but point being that injuries happen in football. Hamstring issues are a concern, but they're also not exclusive to the Packers' roster.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



A chiropractor, and a good nutritionist (get the peeps to eat better).

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