minnypacker
16 years ago
Defensively, do we need to consider redoing our LB corp?

Barnett is a solid player, but a bit light for runstuffing. How will he recover from his knee injury?

Hawk is an enigma. In theory he should be a solid LB. In theory a top 5 pick would be an impact guy...haven't seen it yet. He seems too small and appears to have a difficult time disengaging from blockers. Is he a "bust" for a top 5 pick? Would a different system fit him better?

Poppinga is a high energy guy with limitations. However, I'd almost rather watch him play than Hawk at this point. He is a converted rusg end who has the potential to be a stud in a 3-4 system. Unfortunately we run a 4-3.

Chillar is a solid guy who runs well but lacks the pop for run support.

Bishop makes plays, unfortunately he also gives them up. In a perfect world he probably is a MLB in a 4-3 or a ILB in a 3-4. Just not a complete package at this point.

Do we need to consider adding a FA LB or draft one? There are some solid players in the FA market at teh LB position, do we need to consider signing one? Do we need to consider drafting a guy like Curry?

Without a doubt this group needs to play better next season. An improved DL and different scheme might allow us to make a go of it with the pieces in place...we shall see.
Greg C.
16 years ago
I was baffled by the poor play of the linebackers this year. I have no idea what needs to be done. Hawk is not small, by the way, he has at least average size for an LB. But he sure was awful this season. Barnett didn't play well either. Poppinga is good at the line of scrimmage but a liability behind it. Chillar is decent in pass coverage but weak against the run. Maybe it's time to at least have an open competition between Hawk and Bishop for the WLB spot, or the MLB spot.
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porky88
16 years ago

Defensively, do we need to consider redoing our LB corp?

Barnett is a solid player, but a bit light for runstuffing. How will he recover from his knee injury?

Hawk is an enigma. In theory he should be a solid LB. In theory a top 5 pick would be an impact guy...haven't seen it yet. He seems too small and appears to have a difficult time disengaging from blockers. Is he a "bust" for a top 5 pick? Would a different system fit him better?

Poppinga is a high energy guy with limitations. However, I'd almost rather watch him play than Hawk at this point. He is a converted rusg end who has the potential to be a stud in a 3-4 system. Unfortunately we run a 4-3.

Chillar is a solid guy who runs well but lacks the pop for run support.

Bishop makes plays, unfortunately he also gives them up. In a perfect world he probably is a MLB in a 4-3 or a ILB in a 3-4. Just not a complete package at this point.

Do we need to consider adding a FA LB or draft one? There are some solid players in the FA market at teh LB position, do we need to consider signing one? Do we need to consider drafting a guy like Curry?

Without a doubt this group needs to play better next season. An improved DL and different scheme might allow us to make a go of it with the pieces in place...we shall see.

"minnypacker" wrote:



I think the Packers have good players at this group so I don't think a shakeup is needed where the Packers go out and sign Ray Lewis or draft someone No. 9.

I really don't think Brady Poppinga would be a stud in a 3-4. In fact I think he'd be an average player at best. He just doesn't have the pass rushing skills to play that system. He is what he is and that's an average starter.

That's why I think you obviously stick with the 4-3 and put your players in their best positions.

A.J. Hawk is a decent weakside backer. Is he a bust? Hard to say. He was solid for his first two years, but arguably below average this year. Nick Collins went through the same thing and in his fourth year (this season) he was outstanding. I expect similar results out of Hawk, but he needs to be on the weakside in my opinion.

Nick Barnett is strong in coverage and it's time to utilize that. Move him to the strong side backer, but play him in dime and nickel positions still. He wouldn't have to unlearn anything. He knows the Packers dime and nickel defense. He could easily do all that. He's been paid so he doesn't have to worry about racking up stats to get a big contract anymore.

The last starter should be Desmond Bishop in the middle. He's proven to be stout against the run. He's the best tackler out of the three or at least has shown that and he fills the gaps much quicker. His instincts have gotten better which is rare for a young player. You could argue that he could be put on either the strong or weak side as well with Barnett in the middle or Hawk at strong side. Either way, Bishop is a starting caliber player and he's proved it in my opinion over the course of the past two seasons. He needs to be on the field.

You put those three on the field and with an improve line, GB would have three linebackers who could absolutely fly around and flock to the ball which they didn't do this year.

Poppinga can be given a tryout as a pass rusher via linebacker and defensive end. GB can move him around and use him in situations.

That's what I would do.
go.pack.go.
16 years ago
Maybe bring in a guy like Vilma, if Ted Thompson really wanted to, but he doesn't need to. Like Porky said, we should have Hawk, Bishop, and Barnett starting. Brady Pop could be our blitzing linebacker, or situational linebacker.

To answer your question, no, we don't need to redo our linebacking core.
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wils0646
16 years ago
I'm not sure if anything really needs to be done. It was odd that all of LBs really had down years compared to last year...but it could just be one very important reason why. Having a solid d-line can make your LB crew instantly better and we had one of the poorest in the league. Last year, we had the depth and talent (+ no major injury) for all of those guys to thrive.

The d-line had more to do with the whole LB crew being in decline. I don't see any other reason.

Barnett (before injury) and Hawk were both having terrible years. If the d-line isn't blocking and clogging incoming offensive linemen, LBs can't succeed, period.
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Bigbyfan
16 years ago
I know this is probably already listed somewhere but who are the interesting free agent LB's in the league this year?
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago

I know this is probably already listed somewhere but who are the interesting free agent LB's in the league this year?

"Bigbyfan" wrote:



I know of two...Jonathan Vilma and Ray Lewis.
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Bigbyfan
16 years ago

I know this is probably already listed somewhere but who are the interesting free agent LB's in the league this year?

"go.pack.go." wrote:



I know of two...Jonathan Vilma and Ray Lewis.

"Bigbyfan" wrote:



Oh that reminds me that Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs are free agents... Baltimore will only be able to sign two of the three so someone is getting to test the open market.
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RainX
16 years ago
Their play was disappointing this year overall, but with the amount of money invested in the group to this point, it's really to early to give up on it. They played pretty well in 2007 when there was a better front 4 in front of them.

I'd say give them one more year (hopefully behind a better line) and see if things don't improve. If they struggle again in '09, then it's probably time to start looking in a different direction.
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djcubez
16 years ago
I like the idea of moving Barnett outside, leaving Hawk outside and then giving Bishop a chance in the middle. All in all, Desmond had a couple bad plays in pass coverage but I've never seen any of our other backers play so well against the run--he was in the backfield all the time. With Barnett and Hawk playing more coverage it might free up Bishop a little bit.
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