MintBaconDrivel
10 years ago

GREEN BAY – Less than 24 hours after Aaron Rodgers had cracked his collarbone, Mike McCarthy was a maelstrom of emotions. We all know that the Green Bay Packers coach is never in the mood for drama, but after fearing the worst about his franchise quarterback the night before, he was now hoping for the best.

It was the day after the unthinkable had happened, and McCarthy was unusually forthcoming. Not only had the coach confessed to peeking at the Lambeau Field tunnel hoping to see No. 12 reemerge after the injury to lead the team to victory over the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football, but after getting a gloom-and-doom initial diagnosis on the night of Nov. 4 that the injury was likely season-ending, the sleep-deprived McCarthy had spoken with team physician Dr. Patrick McKenzie that Tuesday morning, Nov. 5.

Now, McCarthy was putting Rodgers’ injury into the “week-to-week” category, and while he knew Rodgers wasn’t going to play the following Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles, he wasn’t immediately ruling him out.

Then, McCarthy said this:

“Let's not kid ourselves. If he walked in your office and asked for the ball on Saturday, what would you do?”

Well, 39 days later – as it turned out, it was a Friday, not a Saturday – Aaron Rodgers did exactly that. He told McCarthy he wanted the ball. And that’s when Rodgers found out exactly what his coach would do.

He’d say no.

For his own good.

“Hey, it’s not the easiest thing to sit there and tell your franchise quarterback he can’t play in the game when he wants to play in the game,” McCarthy said. “This is clearly a decision that’s made in the best interest of Aaron Rodgers.”

As a result, Rodgers has been ruled out for Sunday’s game at Dallas. He will miss his sixth consecutive game, and he’ll have to hope that the 6-6-1 Packers can win in Dallas with Matt Flynn at quarterback and him on the sideline. And he is not happy about it.

“Frankly, I think if Aaron was asked the question, he wants to play. He feels he’s ready to play,” McCarthy told reporters Friday in his usual, end-of-the-week post-practice news conference – which was carried live on ESPN. “Based on what he’s accomplished physically and what he was able to do at practice on Wednesday and Thursday, he’s ready to go.

“He’s very disappointed. He’s frustrated. But speaking with Dr. McKenzie, this is the right decision.”


When reached Friday evening, Rodgers declined comment. Asked how he felt, Rodgers said, “sad.”

McCarthy said that he, McKenzie and Rodgers met Friday morning. After Rodgers had practiced well on Wednesday and Thursday and experienced little if any pain – in a stark departure from the previous week, when simple activities during the Wednesday practice had made it clear to Rodgers that he was not in fact physically ready to play – the quarterback went into that meeting with hopes of being allowed to play.

An NFL source said that Rodgers’ collarbone was scanned on Thursday – presumably after he spoke at his locker following Thursday’s practice – and that he, McKenzie and McCarthy went over the results of that scan Friday. (McCarthy when asked during his press conference if Rodgers had been scanned Friday, replied, “I’m not going to get into scans and this and that. He was not scanned this morning.”)

Although the scan did not show a fully healed collarbone, Rodgers was willing to accept whatever risk would be associated with playing. But even though he was, McKenzie and McCarthy were not willing to put the franchise's $110 million man in harm's way.

Thus, after saying that he would need to take the starter’s reps in practice Friday in order to be ready to play against the Cowboys, Rodgers watched as Flynn and backup Scott Tolzien worked instead. Rodgers was a spectator for the 11-on-11 period open to reporters, wearing a knit stocking cap instead of his helmet.

“Frankly, it’s been a difficult morning going through the conversation with Aaron and Dr. McKenzie,” McCarthy said.

It is admirable that the über competitive Rodgers wants to play. And let’s be clear: He wants to play because he still believes his team is a playoff-caliber team, and because he feels responsible for it. (“This is my team,” he said on his weekly radio show on 540 ESPN and ESPNWisconsin.com on Dec. 3. “I'm the leader of this team and I want to be out there.”)

He certainly doesn’t need to play to prove something to that small, vocal, misguided faction of Packers fans who are questioning his toughness and willingness to play in pain. Those foolish souls are referred to how he played the entire second half of a 2006 blowout loss to the New England Patriots on a broken foot after the ultimate tough guy, Brett Favre, was knocked from the game with an elbow injury.

Or they can go back to the 2008 game against Atlanta when, after suffering a dislocated shoulder the previous week, Rodgers was listed as doubtful but went down to the Don Hutson Center a few hours before kickoff, threw passes and struck a deal with McKenzie to let him play. Rodgers completed 25 of 37 passes for 313 yards with three touchdowns and one interception (109.4 rating) in a 27-24 loss.

The hurdle that I know Aaron wanted to get over, he achieved it this week. He feels really good,” McCarthy said. “He felt like he was ready to play. But listening to all of the conversation, all of the facts and evaluation, it’s in our best interest as a football team, as an organization, for Aaron not to play in this game.”

As much as Rodgers might disagree, McCarthy is right. Given the Cowboys’ porous defense and history of December swoons, it’s not inconceivable that Flynn could lead the Packers to victory. If he somehow does, it would set up another showdown a week from now on whether Rodgers should be permitted to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Dec. 22.

Since the day after the injury occurred, Rodgers has been candid to a fault about his feelings, his hopes for a speedy recovery and his desire to play regardless of the Packers’ record or playoff hopes. He should be mad, frustrated and disappointed that he isn’t playing Sunday. If he wasn’t, you’d wonder what was wrong with him.

The easy play for McCarthy would have been to let Rodgers have his way and give him the ball. Instead, he made the unpopular decision and ticked off not only his quarterback but many of his team’s fans. The cost-benefit analysis long-term says it was the right call. If he faces the same decision next week, with the playoffs still in play, it'll be interesting to see what he does.

There have been times this year when McCarthy definitely deserved criticism. But this isn’t one of them.

Jason Wilde  wrote:


nerdmann
10 years ago

...after getting a gloom-and-doom initial diagnosis on the night of Nov. 4 that the injury was likely season-ending, the sleep-deprived McCarthy had spoken with team physician Dr. Patrick McKenzie that Tuesday morning, Nov. 5.



SOOOO, get the gloom and doom initial diagnosis that it's likely season-ending, then come out and tell us he's "week to week." Thanks Mike!
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sschind
10 years ago

SOOOO, get the gloom and doom initial diagnosis that it's likely season-ending, then come out and tell us he's "week to week." Thanks Mike!

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The initial doom and gloom diagnosis came the night after the game (if it came at all in any shape other than speculation) He spoke with doctors the next morning then he gave the week to week diagnosis. I'd like to know the source of this gloom and doom initial diagnosis

I don't recall doctors telling anyone that it was a season ending injury. I don't recall Mike McCarthy ever telling anyone it was a season ending injury. I don't recall Rodgers ever telling anyone it was a season ending injury. Short of obvious speculation I don't recall anyone officially telling anyone that is was a season ending injury either the night of 11/4, the night of 12/14 or any time in between.

I know you have this bug up your behind that we are being lied to but I ask you this, Why the hell does it matter? What is it that makes you think Mike McCarthy has the obligation to tell us 100% of what is going on 100% of the time? Every thread you post in, every post you make we have come to expect nerdman telling us we have been lied to...again. Its like a bad song that get in your head. A Wonderful Christmastime by Paul McCartney has been driving me nuts since the day after thanksgiving and I've only heard it maybe three or four times. I hate that song, its second to Santa Baby as the worst Christmas song of all time. I'd rather hear the dogs barking jingle bells. But I digress. Again I ask you who the hell cares? They don't owe us 100% honesty. They don't owe us 100% full disclosure. Its not up to them to make sure we are feeling 100% free from all uncertainty. As long as they follow league rules to avoid unnecessarily punishing the team they can tell us whatever they want as far as I am concerned. Yeah, its a bit nerve wracking to not who who the starter is before the game starts but that's the nature of injuries. Sometimes you just don't know and since there is not a damn thing I can do about it I simply don't care and I am not sure why you care so much about it either?
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
Why all this stupid whining about "lies"? When McCarthy talks, it's not primarily to us fans. It's to other teams and to the evil damned news media. I for one don't mind if he tells a few lies to those people.

As for the article, I disagree that this is a good thing or the right thing or any of that crap. They should have let Rodgers play - if they are afraid of getting sued, which I doubt, let him sign something. The game is important; Rodgers wants to play; If he got reinjured, it's no worse for the team than a loss without him playing. As for this medical clearance shit, if doctor A doesn't clear him, try doctor B or doctor C.

Basically, McCarthy etc. are taking a long odds gamble that the Packers can win Sunday without Rodgers, and have him come back stronger the following week or whatever. That gamble may very well bite them in the ass, as the Cowboys simply are not as bad as they looked against the Bears.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Let it be, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer let it be

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
nerdmann
10 years ago

The initial doom and gloom diagnosis came the night after the game (if it came at all in any shape other than speculation) He spoke with doctors the next morning then he gave the week to week diagnosis. I'd like to know the source of this gloom and doom initial diagnosis

I don't recall doctors telling anyone that it was a season ending injury. I don't recall Mike McCarthy ever telling anyone it was a season ending injury. I don't recall Rodgers ever telling anyone it was a season ending injury. Short of obvious speculation I don't recall anyone officially telling anyone that is was a season ending injury either the night of 11/4, the night of 12/14 or any time in between.

I know you have this bug up your behind that we are being lied to but I ask you this, Why the hell does it matter? What is it that makes you think Mike McCarthy has the obligation to tell us 100% of what is going on 100% of the time? Every thread you post in, every post you make we have come to expect nerdman telling us we have been lied to...again. Its like a bad song that get in your head. A Wonderful Christmastime by Paul McCartney has been driving me nuts since the day after thanksgiving and I've only heard it maybe three or four times. I hate that song, its second to Santa Baby as the worst Christmas song of all time. I'd rather hear the dogs barking jingle bells. But I digress. Again I ask you who the hell cares? They don't owe us 100% honesty. They don't owe us 100% full disclosure. Its not up to them to make sure we are feeling 100% free from all uncertainty. As long as they follow league rules to avoid unnecessarily punishing the team they can tell us whatever they want as far as I am concerned. Yeah, its a bit nerve wracking to not who who the starter is before the game starts but that's the nature of injuries. Sometimes you just don't know and since there is not a damn thing I can do about it I simply don't care and I am not sure why you care so much about it either?

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Why lie?

I feel like he knew he F'd up by not having an adequate backup in place, AND by not going out and at least taking a look at Matt Flynn when he became available. So he was trying to downplay the injury so people wouldn't confront him about having F'd up.

Man up, Mike.
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gbguy20
10 years ago

Why lie?

I feel like he knew he F'd up by not having an adequate backup in place, AND by not going out and at least taking a look at Matt Flynn when he became available. So he was trying to downplay the injury so people wouldn't confront him about having F'd up.

Man up, Mike.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I don't understand you sometimes. "9/11 was an inside job"
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StoicFire
10 years ago

Why lie?

I feel like he knew he F'd up by not having an adequate backup in place, AND by not going out and at least taking a look at Matt Flynn when he became available. So he was trying to downplay the injury so people wouldn't confront him about having F'd up.

Man up, Mike.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



This is hardly coherent as far as an argument goes. For starters, McCarthy isn't the one who addresses the backup QB position; that would be Thompson.

Next, let's quote Vic and explain why the Packers didn't go get Flynn the moment he became available (aside from the obvious fact that he had just been cut again, by a worse team than ours):

"It’s real easy to say get him. What are the consequences? Flynn was traded to Oakland on April 1 of this year. His base salary was $5.25 million, but the Raiders kicked it up to $6.5 million in ’13 for a reduction of his salary in ’14. Then the Raiders released Flynn on Oct. 7. He was signed by the Bills on Oct. 14, which means the Packers had a one-week window to sign Flynn but, of course, they were comfortable with Seneca Wallace as their backup at that point. The Bills released Flynn on Nov. 4 and the Packers signed Flynn on Nov. 12. The Raiders are paying Flynn his $6.5 million contract and the Packers are paying Flynn minimum wage on a split contract. Among football people, the Packers look like geniuses. Those are the facts."

So yeah, the way I see it the organization looks pretty smart, because if Wallace hadn't gotten hurt we (probably) would have gotten a few more wins in Aaron's absence. Seeing as he did get hurt though, they addressed the problem in a way that didn't jeopardize the team's salary cap. Oh, and once again, none of this is on McCarthy. Just something to consider before telling him to "man up" because you personally don't like the way a situation was handled.
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Cheesey
10 years ago

Let it be, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer let it be

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



And in this hour of darkness Mike McCarthy's
standing right in front of me
Telling me "Flynn is starting, let it be."

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mi_keys
10 years ago

This is hardly coherent as far as an argument goes. For starters, McCarthy isn't the one who addresses the backup QB position; that would be Thompson.

Next, let's quote Vic and explain why the Packers didn't go get Flynn the moment he became available (aside from the obvious fact that he had just been cut again, by a worse team than ours):

"It’s real easy to say get him. What are the consequences? Flynn was traded to Oakland on April 1 of this year. His base salary was $5.25 million, but the Raiders kicked it up to $6.5 million in ’13 for a reduction of his salary in ’14. Then the Raiders released Flynn on Oct. 7. He was signed by the Bills on Oct. 14, which means the Packers had a one-week window to sign Flynn but, of course, they were comfortable with Seneca Wallace as their backup at that point. The Bills released Flynn on Nov. 4 and the Packers signed Flynn on Nov. 12. The Raiders are paying Flynn his $6.5 million contract and the Packers are paying Flynn minimum wage on a split contract. Among football people, the Packers look like geniuses. Those are the facts."

So yeah, the way I see it the organization looks pretty smart, because if Wallace hadn't gotten hurt we (probably) would have gotten a few more wins in Aaron's absence. Seeing as he did get hurt though, they addressed the problem in a way that didn't jeopardize the team's salary cap. Oh, and once again, none of this is on McCarthy. Just something to consider before telling him to "man up" because you personally don't like the way a situation was handled.

Originally Posted by: StoicFire 



This also completely ignores the fact that fans have been berating the Pack for well over a year about the backup QB situation. McCarthy--for right or wrong--did and was going to continue to take abuse for the backup QB situation regardless of the severity of Rodgers' injury.

It's just an incomprehensibly stupid suggestion.

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