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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
What do you want more? Your freedom or your safety? You can't have both.

I took Keiana to a theater yesterday to see Despicable Me 2 and there's now a sign saying you can't bring backpacks in for the "Guests safety". This bothers me. Not because I can't bring a backpack in, because I have never done so, nor do I see a reason to. It bothers me because it feels like the bad guys are winning.

It's clear we can't have both freedom and safety and quite honestly, I would rather my freedom than this illusion of safety. Bad people will do bad things. They will find a way. Safety is nothing more than a damn illusion.

Give me my freedom and take your safety measures and shove them up your ass!

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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
Oh yeah, and what will you say the day some asshole - terrorist related or otherwise - shoots up or blows up the theater with your kid in it?

The bad guys are only winning if enough people are propagandized to let their guard down.

BTW, I don't think theaters EVER let people bring backpacks in because they're afraid people will bring food instead of buying their high priced crap.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Oh yeah, and what will you say the day some asshole - terrorist related or otherwise - shoots up or blows up the theater with your kid in it?

The bad guys are only winning if enough people are propagandized to let their guard down.

BTW, I don't think theaters EVER let people bring backpacks in because they're afraid people will bring food instead of buying their high priced crap.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 




The shooting in Aurora theater was not far from where we lived one year earlier. And Batman is something I am a huge fan of. So, to answer your question, if I were to lose my child in a theater shooting or bombing, what would I say? I would say it was a very unfair and unjustified attack. I sure as hell wouldn't pound my chest saying WHY ARE THESE PUBLIC VENUES NOT MORE SAFE!!

I do my best to protect my girls as that is part of my responsibility as a father. If I have to take a bullet for them, so be it. If I have to lay on a bomb to protect them, so be it. But don't dare tell me that this illusion of safety is worth losing ANY freedoms.


Should I not let my daughters ride their bikes because a car might hit them?
Should I not let them go to school because they might get shot?
Should I not take my girls to the mall because someone might have a gun and shoot them?
Should I not let them go to school because they might get touched inappropriately?
Should I not take them to the amusement park because a ride could crash?


Wait, I know what you think we should do. We should put everyone in a god damn bubble. Forget freedom, who needs it. Just get your very own texaspackerback bubble.



BTFW, I know the rules of a theater and backpacks, that wasn't the point I was getting at here.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

The shooting in Aurora theater was not far from where we lived one year earlier. And Batman is something I am a huge fan of. So, to answer your question, if I were to lose my child in a theater shooting or bombing, what would I say? I would say it was a very unfair and unjustified attack. I sure as hell wouldn't pound my chest saying WHY ARE THESE PUBLIC VENUES NOT MORE SAFE!!

I do my best to protect my girls as that is part of my responsibility as a father. If I have to take a bullet for them, so be it. If I have to lay on a bomb to protect them, so be it. But don't dare tell me that this illusion of safety is worth losing ANY freedoms.


Should I not let my daughters ride their bikes because a car might hit them?
Should I not let them go to school because they might get shot?
Should I not take my girls to the mall because someone might have a gun and shoot them?
Should I not let them go to school because they might get touched inappropriately?
Should I not take them to the amusement park because a ride could crash?


Wait, I know what you think we should do. We should put everyone in a god damn bubble. Forget freedom, who needs it. Just get your very own texaspackerback bubble.



BTFW, I know the rules of a theater and backpacks, that wasn't the point I was getting at here.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yes, I know you know hahahaha - it was the sign that made you mad.

It's commendable that you would give your life for your kids. we all would - BUT we shouldn't have to be placed in the situation to need to do so.

As for your collection of "should I not"s, I'm assuming you DO allow of those things, right? With a small degree of parental care and caution anyway. So WHERE is the bubble? Where is the lack of freedom? The fact is, you ARE reasonably safe in allowing those things BECAUSE of the exact subtle mostly but maybe not all behind the scenes security measures you now need some cheese to accompany your reaction to.

IMNHO (the N standing for NEVER), that tiny bit of inconvenience in the name of security is worth it, and does not even constitute a loss of freedom to a degree worth complaining about.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
I don't think you implied this, but to be clear, by no means am I saying since safety is but a mere illusion we should absolve all attempts at reaching it. I am saying the more we whine to the Government about THEM needing to provide safer public venues for US, the more FREEDOM we relinquish. Everything has a trade off.

Some inconvenience for the sake of safety is worth it. Coincidentally, banning backpacks (etc) from theaters, I have no issue with whatsoever.

TSA at airports I have an issue with, but not for me. They can fondle me up/down and repeat and scan me nude for all I care. It's my girls that it becomes a problem. Maybe that's hypocritical, I dunno. I just don't agree with fondling kids for this illusion of safety. This has NOT happened to my girls. In fact, the airports at Denver, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Chicago have been very respectful. They had women do a soft pat on the under arm and that was it. Maybe me starring at them ready with a look on my face that clearly said "touch her wrong and you will get hurt"? I doubt that mattered to them much, but even my girls noticed it lol.

We could talk about Unions too here. Employee's whined and whined and rightfully so ... but now look. Unions give employees a false sense of laziness because hey the union will bail me out!





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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

I don't think you implied this, but to be clear, by no means am I saying since safety is but a mere illusion we should absolve all attempts at reaching it. I am saying the more we whine to the Government about THEM needing to provide safer public venues for US, the more FREEDOM we relinquish. Everything has a trade off.

Some inconvenience for the sake of safety is worth it. Coincidentally, banning backpacks (etc) from theaters, I have no issue with whatsoever.

TSA at airports I have an issue with, but not for me. They can fondle me up/down and repeat and scan me nude for all I care. It's my girls that it becomes a problem. Maybe that's hypocritical, I dunno. I just don't agree with fondling kids for this illusion of safety. This has NOT happened to my girls. In fact, the airports at Denver, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Chicago have been very respectful. They had women do a soft pat on the under arm and that was it. Maybe me starring at them ready with a look on my face that clearly said "touch her wrong and you will get hurt"? I doubt that mattered to them much, but even my girls noticed it lol.

We could talk about Unions too here. Employee's whined and whined and rightfully so ... but now look. Unions give employees a false sense of laziness because hey the union will bail me out!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



hahahaha Glad you got the whine and cheese reference - I was a little bit worried.

In your example, it boils down to PEOPLE - as it usually does. Sure, I suppose you have a few bad TSA people who get their jollies (no grape kool aid pun intended) from the stuff you mention, but they are rare - I would venture to say rarer than the percentage of those perverts in society in general. And here too it's all about benefit v. negative aspect.

I don't know if the TSA even has a union, but even a union isn't gonna protect a pervert - they might make sure an accusation is true before allowing him to get fired, but that's fair, I guess. It still comes back to the same as above - basically good normal people - the TSAers - doing a nasty but unfortunately necessary job in the least intrusive way possible - THAT in comparison to dying in a sabotaged plane, airport explosion, or heaven forbid, city hit by an NBC attack.

I suppose there are two points of view as to which is worse, factoring in the probabilities in BOTH cases, but IMNHO, one of those points of view CLEARLY beats the other.
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OlHoss1884
11 years ago
F*CK safety. I'm pissed at those weenies in the NRA...they whine about gun registries but won't lift a finger to make it legal for me to own a nuclear weapon. Give me that freedom and I'll worry about my own safety. So terrorists have killed what...4000 people in the last 20 years here in America? So what I could top that in 5 minutes with a nuke and take out a lot more BAD people than they did.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

F*CK safety. I'm pissed at those weenies in the NRA whine about gun registries but won't lift a finger to make it legal for me to own a nuclear weapon. Give me that freedom and I'll worry about my own safety. So terrorists have killed what...4000 people in the last 20 years here in America? So what I could top that in 5 minutes for a nuke and take out a lot more BAD people than they did.

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No shit! I've been petitioning for one for years now. I keep getting denied. It's complete bullshit!
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Formo
11 years ago
Freedom. 100% of the time.
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