Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

You want the courageous, "go for it all" mentality to prove they have balls

"warhawk" wrote:



I disagree. It's not like were were pinned inside our own 20 and needed a couple of Hail Marys to get into field-goal position. We were on the Bears' 18 and needed to get to the 8 for a first down. All it takes is a couple of the same passes we'd thrown to great effect the entire game -- you know, the 6- to 8-yard kind -- and we'd have the first down. We didn't need to throw a deep bomb or anything heroic.

I've said it before; I'll repeat it here. People like wpr and I aren't advocating that Rodgers toss it into the end zone on every play. We're advocating that Mike McCarthy call plays to the Packers' strengths: play action passing that would have gotten us closer to the end zone, probably would have gotten us another first down, and could easily have given us a chance for a game-winning touchdown. At worst, we would have gone three-and-out and kicked the field goal. I don't understand these strange lateral runs that aren't designed to gain yardage -- or the runs up the middle, into one of the best defensive lines in football, that have been shown time and time again not to work this season.
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Fred
16 years ago

I disagree with the playcalling on a philosophical level. It has nothing to do with whether it succeeds or fails -- I just don't like it. Had Crosby's FG attempt split the uprights, I still would have complained that it was a boring and anticlimactic way to limp into a victory. Given the choice between a game-winning TD pass from Rodgers and a game-winning FG from Crosby, I'll choose the TD pass every single time.

I could understand playing the percentages if we had a mediocre QB; but we have a fantastic, top-ten QB -- who's a first-year starter at that. I could understand the concern about a possible red-zone turnover if Rodgers had a history of screwing up in the red zone, but he is the best red-zone quarterback in the NFL this year.

We just have to agree to disagree, because my objections have nothing to do with the fact the FG attempt failed. I was vociferously protesting the play choices as they lined up. It was the same tired, old formula that's taken us nowhere this season.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I gather than that you like a risk taking, high reward, gun-slinger type QB who can win games for the team rather than a boring, game manager who has to depend on others to win the game?

Am I hearing you right?

Just for clarification purposes.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

I gather than that you like a risk taking, high reward, gun-slinger type QB?

"Fred" wrote:



Uh, no.

Let's review what I said:

All it takes is a couple of the same passes we'd thrown to great effect the entire game -- you know, the 6- to 8-yard kind -- and we'd have the first down. We didn't need to throw a deep bomb or anything heroic.

"Nonstopdrivel wrote:



Or this:

I could understand the concern about a possible red-zone turnover if Rodgers had a history of screwing up in the red zone, but he is the best red-zone quarterback in the NFL this year.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



High-risk quarterbacks tend to have histories of INTs in the red zone.

I advocate a choice of plays that plays to the team's strength, not a reliance on some superhuman quarterback to take the entire success or failure of the team on his own shoulders through the mystical might of his omnipotent aura.
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Fred
16 years ago
How about winning by his "Hall of Fame" talent, then?

He's a winner, that you can't deny.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
He's also prone to be reckless. That's what I love about Rodgers: He rarely is.
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warhawk
16 years ago

You want the courageous, "go for it all" mentality to prove they have balls

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I disagree. It's not like were were pinned inside our own 20 and needed a couple of Hail Marys to get into field-goal position. We were on the Bears' 18 and needed to get to the 8 for a first down. All it takes is a couple of the same passes we'd thrown to great effect the entire game -- you know, the 6- to 8-yard kind -- and we'd have the first down. We didn't need to throw a deep bomb or anything heroic.

I've said it before; I'll repeat it here. People like wpr and I aren't advocating that Rodgers toss it into the end zone on every play. We're advocating that Mike McCarthy call plays to the Packers' strengths: play action passing that would have gotten us closer to the end zone, probably would have gotten us another first down, and could easily have given us a chance for a game-winning touchdown. At worst, we would have gone three-and-out and kicked the field goal. I don't understand these strange lateral runs that aren't designed to gain yardage -- or the runs up the middle, into one of the best defensive lines in football, that have been shown time and time again not to work this season.

"warhawk" wrote:




Nonstop, Nonstop, Nonstop. I just really don't know what to tell you.

McCarthy DID everything you just asked of him above.....to GET the ball to the twenty. He threw it and called the plays to move the chains. What your saying here is "yeah, but if he would have just done it one more time for one more first down." C'mon man.

You know darn well the field tightens up down there and the defenders don't play as deep and the opportunity for something bad happening increases. I recall a pass of the "six to eight yard variety" tipped and intercepted in the first half.

Oh boy. Would the heads be rolling if that had happened.

Why? Why when the ball is sitting on "game over."
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zombieslayer
16 years ago

It all sounds great and everything but then again I can just imagine what would happen on this forum if McCarthy did turn him loose and there was a misfortunate turnover. A tipped ball at the LOS or INT that bounces off the receiver or a fumble after the catch and people here go APE crap on McCarthy AND Rodgers.

I can understand the thinking "hey, let's get the monkey off Rodgers back" logic but the bottom line here is the OL is payed to block, Crosby is paid to make FG's, and Mike McCarthy is paid to win football games.

I think the team is in a lot bigger trouble if they start changing WHY they make the decisions they should make. What's ironinc about this thread with a "help the young QB" theme is that if everything worked out the way they should have last night there would have been a LOT of people saying "oh yeah, he played it conservative to get Rodgers the win."

I don't understand why every time something doesn't work the way it's supposed there is something WRONG and so many are off in far, far places looking for the answers.

It's Rodgers arm, it's Rodgers head, it's Rodgers inability to produce late in games, it's because Rodgers ain't Favre, it's McCarthy who can't call plays, McCarthy who can't coach, McCarthy who can't whatever.

I could swear all I saw was an offensive line that didn't block very well and a kick that didn't appear to get high enough fast enough in a place on the field where it should have been ROUTINE. At least the other guy made the same kick look pretty routine to me a couple of minutes later.

Didn't that look routine to you?

"warhawk" wrote:



OK. Looking at it from another angle then.
Let's say someone needs to be blamed for this loss. Who failed? You and I agree it's not Aaron Rodgers. He did his job. He performed well, threw 2 TDs, 260 yards in the miserable cold (which is actually quite a feat).

The OL? Someone missed their block and allowed a defender to block the kick. Well, then the blame goes to Ted Thompson for having four years to build a line and it still sucks.

I'm just saying if we had to blame someone...
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
You raise valid points, warhawk, and if we were, say, battling for a postseason berth I might even agree. (I still wouldn't like it, but I am a pragmatic person.) However, our season was over last week, so I don't see the harm in letting the guys audition for next year.

But I'm clearly in the minority on this issue, and I accept that.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
The premise of this thread is off in any means..

The duty of the Head Coach is to lead the team to victory.. not bolster the confidence or stats of a young QB.

He got the ball into reasonable FG range, milked the clock and set the team up for a decent shot at a victory.. textbook.

More aggressive or less is subject for on going debate.. but MM did what is logically sound.. eat time off the clock, protect the ball and set yourself up for a solid scoring opportunity.. we failed on that play. Period.
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TengoJuego
16 years ago
We had our kick blocked...PERIOD. NFL overtime rules suck balls.
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