play2win
11 years ago
Bulaga is a great RT. No question. It is really too bad he injured his hip, but I think he'll return to play well again there. I think he's a top rated OT, somewhere in the top 10 in the NFL. I know Giacomini isn't in the top 20. However, he would have been a decent backup to hang onto. Is Giacomini better than Don Barclay? I don't know. I didn't mean to sound like Giacomini was the second coming... my bad Wade!
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

I don't think he is saying they are only one or two players away from winning a Championship, just that one or two FAs of high quality can help you to get there, taking pressure off of key areas that you normally fill with draft picks. For instance, we had a couple of scenarios where we had high calibre DTs, DEs, RBs and Ss looking for a new team this offseason. We didn't really play, so they went elsewhere. I would have loved to get one of them, maybe two of them, to allow a bit more freedom this draft, insuring our roster was truly complete.

We have so many holes, some bigger than others at some real need positions on this roster. One or two FA signings could have helped. They still may.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



What free agent fits the Packers scheme and signed for a price that fits in the Packers salary cap? I'm all for improving the roster. I just don't see any players that could have been signed that would have made a different without overpaying them more than I feel players already are.
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play2win
11 years ago

What free agent fits the Packers scheme and signed for a price that fits in the Packers salary cap? I'm all for improving the roster. I just don't see any players that could have been signed that would have made a different without overpaying them more than I feel players already are.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think Steven Jackson was a bargain compared to Brad Jones. I think SJax will be a force with ATL this year, and so does ATL. Cullen Jenkns fit our needs perfectly and we didn't even offer... Osi Umenyiora would have made a difference, two years at $8.5M (that's in the Brad Jones ballpark, remarkably). Alan Branch was SUPER affordable as a rotation NT for $3M. Marcus Spears, a perfect fit for our scheme at $3.5M. Somehow the Ravens didn't stop at Spears, but also signed Chris Canty, the same Chris Canty who couldn't pass our physical, at less than $3M per year. I wonder about that...

Pick any two of these players, and our roster is better. Pre draft.

Hmmm, Brad Jones or Osi Umenyiora...? But, but, Brad Jones falls under the "Draft & Develop" umbrella.

I don't know Zero2Cool. The policy, and it sure seems like a hard line policy, seems just too strict for my liking. In building out a roster, there ought to be balance, and this is one area where I think we have little. our team is ALWAYS so damn young. That inexperience can provide for costly mistakes. Some of these mistakes we cannot afford during Rodgers' prime. We shouldn't allow ourselves to afford that during Rodgers' prime. We should maximize our opportunities. Sprinkle a couple of quality vets in there. It wouldn't hurt.
nerdmann
11 years ago
I DO believe we are 1 or 2 players from the Superbowl. In fact, if we didn't go out of our way to shit ourselves in the playoffs I'd have liked our chances the last two years.

That said, I DON'T want Ted to splurge on big named free agents. Fuck that shit.
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play2win
11 years ago

I DO believe we are 1 or 2 players from the Superbowl. In fact, if we didn't go out of our way to shit ourselves in the playoffs I'd have liked our chances the last two years.

That said, I DON'T want Ted to splurge on big named free agents. Fuck that shit.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



But, it's OK to splurge on Brad Fucking Jones?
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

I think Steven Jackson was a bargain compared to Brad Jones. I think SJax will be a force with ATL this year, and so does ATL. Cullen Jenkns fit our needs perfectly and we didn't even offer... Osi Umenyiora would have made a difference, two years at $8.5M (that's in the Brad Jones ballpark, remarkably). Alan Branch was SUPER affordable as a rotation NT for $3M. Marcus Spears, a perfect fit for our scheme at $3.5M. Somehow the Ravens didn't stop at Spears, but also signed Chris Canty, the same Chris Canty who couldn't pass our physical, at less than $3M per year. I wonder about that...

Pick any two of these players, and our roster is better. Pre draft.

Hmmm, Brad Jones or Osi Umenyiora...? But, but, Brad Jones falls under the "Draft & Develop" umbrella.

I don't know Zero2Cool. The policy, and it sure seems like a hard line policy, seems just too strict for my liking. In building out a roster, there ought to be balance, and this is one area where I think we have little. our team is ALWAYS so damn young. That inexperience can provide for costly mistakes. Some of these mistakes we cannot afford during Rodgers' prime. We shouldn't allow ourselves to afford that during Rodgers' prime. We should maximize our opportunities. Sprinkle a couple of quality vets in there. It wouldn't hurt.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Fucking 503 error ... again.


Steven Jackson is not even worth mentioning because he wanted to be a Falcon, or would retire. Regardless, he was NOT worth his contract to the Packers.

Osi Umenyiora played DE in a 4 -3 and I believe went to a team where he will again play in a 4 - 3 with the Falcons. Remember Aaron Kampman? He couldn't make the transition, I'm not saying he'd fail because Kampman, I'm just saying it's not as easy as plug and play.
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Dulak
11 years ago

It means you better have good coaches. 🤨 😇

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



lol - how long have we had our Oline coach? ...
steveishere
11 years ago

But, it's OK to splurge on Brad Fucking Jones?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Brad Jones played a hell of a lot better than Osi Umenyiora did last year and actually fits into a 3-4 scheme. So yeah in that example it's a lot better idea.
play2win
11 years ago

Fucking 503 error ... again.


Steven Jackson is not even worth mentioning because he wanted to be a Falcon, or would retire. Regardless, he was NOT worth his contract to the Packers.

Osi Umenyiora played DE in a 4 -3 and I believe went to a team where he will again play in a 4 - 3 with the Falcons. Remember Aaron Kampman? He couldn't make the transition, I'm not saying he'd fail because Kampman, I'm just saying it's not as easy as plug and play.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I guess the point is, Alan Branch and Marcus Spears may have been huge signings before entering this draft. They both fit the scheme and were affordable. Adding those two players to our roster may have afforded us a bit more flexibility in this weekend's draft, with two bases covered. Clearly, we looked to Steven Jackson to be a weaker team than ATL, with less of a chance of winning the SB. Why?

We don't add marquee talent. We just don't. We draft and we draft, and we wait for some of these players to develop into marquee talent. The only players not named Rodgers and Matthews who have turned out to be so are just a handful. Jordy Nelson. Tramon Williams. Josh Sitton. Anybody else? I mean, a top player in the NFL at his position still with this team? Randall Cobb certainly has potential, as does Finley, Raji, Shields and Hayward. But they are not there yet, and for some, it has been many years with this team.

Brad Jones re-signing with GB is a potential-based signing. The guy did OK last season. He did not come close to burning the house down in any respect playing ILB. 2 sacks. 1 FF. 4 PDs. Measure him against our competition. How is re-signing him making us a better team, at nearly $4M per season? We could have added one of the aforementioned FAs, and paid half the salary of the other for that. This is where I think the "develop" part of the equation goes south. When we overpay, simply because we drafted them. Finley is another prime example.

I wish Draft & Develop = Performance & Reward, with more consistency. If we are not getting the performance from the players, but they are rewarded with outrageous salaries, that, to me, is a problem. It is no different from playing in FA on a high salary player and losing. Seems the percentages of hit vs. miss are very close, both in drafted players and in FA players.

We eliminate one avenue for adding talent to our team entirely, holding so close to draft & develop. And, I think that adversely affects how we draft, and our chances at -ultimate- success. We really blew it in 2011. I hope that doesn't happen again, and look for us to have an incredible draft over these next few days. We're going to need every bit of it.
play2win
11 years ago

Brad Jones played a hell of a lot better than Osi Umenyiora did last year and actually fits into a 3-4 scheme. So yeah in that example it's a lot better idea.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Well, I do know that 2 sacks are not better than 6...
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