So you don't think that the Packers are in need of a quality offensive lineman or defensive lineman? Enough to make a trade up into the teens for either of the guys I have listed? I would much prefer to draft a guy like Jonathan Cooper who could come in and start on day 1. Trusting EDS for an entire year is taking a risk, imo, more of a risk than trusting in a rookie.


I'll agree with you on Vaccarro. I even stated that might be a reach and that he is being overvalued but it is a position of need for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Yerko 

What makes you think I don't think we need D-Line help? I think I've stated previously (it's hard to keep straight which forum I said things hahaha) that the top first round priority is a D-Lineman - maybe Jesse Williams, but the UCLA guy I can't recall the name seemed more likely. As for the O Line, it depends greatly on Sherrod. Thompson, McCarthy, et al know a lot more than us about his chances of coming back healthy. For the Packers to go O Line in either the first or second would mean a complete lack of confidence in Sherrod, also Datko, and/or them knowing something we all don't know about Bulaga that would make his crappy performance even before the injury chronic. I expect Sherrod and Bulaga starting with Newhouse and Datko backing them up. I like EDS. The running game and the pass protection both were significantly upgraded when he replaced Saturday. Furthermore, as I have also stated (this forum I think hahaha) the new and better way to deal with the center position is to take a big bruising O Lineman and convert/cross-train him - similar to what we did with EDS. I'd like to see the Packer pick up a guy like that in the late rounds. The other factor with regard to drafting O Linemen is that we are still committed to the damn ZBS, and most of those big name/gigantic road grader types that potentially we could tade up for would not be exactly suited for ZBS. I'm also relatively satisfied with what we have at Safety, and like I said, would not draft a "hitter" safety, instead primarily a coverage guy, because that's the Packer way in recent years.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Most team run several zone plays, so most teams have a variation of zone blocking in their playbook. It's become more of a label like the west coast offense. Teams really do run just about everything now. The Packers rely on it more than others, certainly, but I don't think a switch in philosophies would fix the running game. I think you have to look at play-calling and personnel.

Originally Posted by: porky88 

I will try to lump in a reply to the four posts immediately above. I DON'T like big fatties (in football hahaha), not O Line or especially not D Line. You hardly see anybody on any other team with a gut to match Raji and Pickett, and neither plays with any toughness. About the only good you can say is Raji is fairly agile - for a big fat slob, and Pickett is a pretty good open field tackler. With their mass, Raji should never need to chase people and Pickett should never need an open field tackle. They should clog up the hole like bacon grease in a drain. I like the "bigger and faster" concept - gosh that makes us one of ...... I'd guess 32 teams shooting for that. Actually, though, that's not accurate. The big problem with the ZBS is not so much that we run it slightly more than other teams. It is the PERSONNEL thing - which dictates that we use smaller supposedly more mobile O Linemen. Not only is that a recipe for a bad running game, but it seems to mess up pass protection too. Years ago when the Packers went to the ZBS, I was excited to think of a 6th round draft pick - Terrell Davis - who became all world, and when he got injured, a couple of past and future nobodies stepping in and gaining about 150 yards a game. I don't know, does Campen get the blame for why nothing close to that ever happened here? Or what? I STILL like EDS enough to give a big no way to trading up for of all things, a center ..... yuck. As for that Star of Samoa guy, doesn't he have some sort of a heart condition that makes him a significant question mark? I didn't notice a double R in his name, but with all those letters, who can be sure? hahahaha (if this reference is off the wall to everybody here, I may be referring to something in the other forum - the RR curse - forgive me, I'm old and can't remember for sure). I hereby go on record predicting that Ted Thompson will neither trade UP or DOWN in the first round, and more likely up than down, if at all in the later rounds.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Tell that to Ty Warren, Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork... 6 SB rings between them. Haloti Ngata, Ma'ake Kemoeatu and Art Jones... The Giants had Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard to go along with their bigger, faster DEs.

We won SB XLV with Raji, Pickett and Howard Green - all big fatties.

How can you say neither Raji nor Pickett "plays with toughness?" That's insane. They've just taken all the snaps at their positions over the last two years since they've had no big fatty backups... You simply cannot have those guys taking 80%+ of your defensive snaps.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

Tell that to Ty Warren, Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork... 6 SB rings between them. Haloti Ngata, Ma'ake Kemoeatu and Art Jones... The Giants had Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard to go along with their bigger, faster DEs.

We won SB XLV with Raji, Pickett and Howard Green - all big fatties.

How can you say neither Raji nor Pickett "plays with toughness?" That's insane. They've just taken all the snaps at their positions over the last two years since they've had no big fatty backups... You simply cannot have those guys taking 80%+ of your defensive snaps.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

I will try to lump in a reply to the four posts immediately above. I DON'T like big fatties (in football hahaha), not O Line or especially not D Line. You hardly see anybody on any other team with a gut to match Raji and Pickett, and neither plays with any toughness. About the only good you can say is Raji is fairly agile - for a big fat slob, and Pickett is a pretty good open field tackler. With their mass, Raji should never need to chase people and Pickett should never need an open field tackle. They should clog up the hole like bacon grease in a drain. I like the "bigger and faster" concept - gosh that makes us one of ...... I'd guess 32 teams shooting for that. Actually, though, that's not accurate. The big problem with the ZBS is not so much that we run it slightly more than other teams. It is the PERSONNEL thing - which dictates that we use smaller supposedly more mobile O Linemen. Not only is that a recipe for a bad running game, but it seems to mess up pass protection too. Years ago when the Packers went to the ZBS, I was excited to think of a 6th round draft pick - Terrell Davis - who became all world, and when he got injured, a couple of past and future nobodies stepping in and gaining about 150 yards a game. I don't know, does Campen get the blame for why nothing close to that ever happened here? Or what? I STILL like EDS enough to give a big no way to trading up for of all things, a center ..... yuck. As for that Star of Samoa guy, doesn't he have some sort of a heart condition that makes him a significant question mark? I didn't notice a double R in his name, but with all those letters, who can be sure? hahahaha (if this reference is off the wall to everybody here, I may be referring to something in the other forum - the RR curse - forgive me, I'm old and can't remember for sure). I hereby go on record predicting that Ted Thompson will neither trade UP or DOWN in the first round, and more likely up than down, if at all in the later rounds.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker