NodakPaul's Vikings-Packers analysis and breakdown· Page 5

jdlax
Member

16 years ago

When we were younger, I remember riding with my brother in the backseat of our minivan. Being older, I'm kinda bugging him, giving him a hard time about something. He calls me a dick. I ask him if he knows how to spell it. D-A-K, he says. Isn't that funny, NodakPaul?

:D

Sorry for that, all.

NodakPaul
Registered Topic Starter

16 years ago

#42

It's no coincidence that the teams hoisting the big trophy at the end all chuck it pretty damn good.

"porky88" wrote:

Yeah, like Brad Johnson when he won with Tampa Bay. Oh wait no... I must have been thinking about Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. No wait, that's not it either... Let's see, the Bears made it to the big game because Grossman played so... good?

Well Manning is great... but for some reason he only has one ring - and that was against the Bears. Fav-re was pretty damn good, but when was the last time he got a ring? The Pats broke Minnesota's record for most points scored in a single season last year. Coincidently neither team got a ring when they did so.

History is riddled with teams who are successful with a great defense but average offense. Having a great passing game is NOT the sole way to a SB birth.

"NodakPaul" wrote:

Wait a second. This isn't the first time I've heard a Viking fan compare their team to those teams but that defense isn't on the level of Baltimore's or Tampa Bay's from those Super Bowl years. Their defensive line maybe but Derrick Brooks or Ray Lewis isn't there.

Tampa Bay had a nice passing game the year they won the Super Bowl. Johnson threw for over 3,000 yards and 22 touchdowns. Also only 6 picks when I looked it up which is amazing. Keyshaun Johnson was a pretty good receiver too something Minnesota really doesn't have.

You strike me as someone who is a realist. Do you think that defense can be like the Ravens? If not then do you think Jackson can have a season like Brad Johnson?

For Minnesota to win the Super Bowl I think one of those things need to happen.

"warhawk" wrote:

Honestly, I think that the Minnesota Defense, while good, isn't on par with the Ravens or TB from the SB days. Nor do I have much faith in TJack. I agree that one of those two things needs to happen for Minnesota to make the super bowl. Is it possible? Sure. But I am not booking my hotel in Tampa just yet...

However, this thread isn't about whether or not I think the Vikings will make the super bowl. It is about how Minnesota matches up against Green Bay in week 1. And I don't think that the passing game will be strong for either team. The Vikings have a better line, and a very, very good 2nd receiver in Rice, but their QB and overall WR corps are unproven right now. The Packers have a better WR corps and probably a better QB, but an OL that is going to be dominated by the Vikings DL all game long. I stand by my earlier prediction that the running game will be the difference in week 1, and to that I give Minnesota the edge.

"There's the snap, Rodgers with a quick drop - in trouble! AND SACKED BY ALLEN! The ball is lose, the ball is lose, and recovered by Kevin Williams! And that's the ball game! Childress and the Vikings FINALLY beat the Packers!"
--

NodakPaul
Registered Topic Starter

16 years ago

#43

"jdlax" wrote:

I would reply about the WI education system, the inability of cheeseheads to spell, and the fact that I am secure enough in my manhood to laugh off dick jokes.

But since there is no smack here, I won't. 😃

warhawk
Senior Member

16 years ago

#44

Well Nodak, predictions are fine and all but we will still be starting basically the same group we had in there last year so to say now your line will dominate all game long is a stretch for me. I mean one guy we may be missing is a rookie and there has been talk that Spitz may very well be better at center than Wells anyhow. The one time we did have trouble in the line in pre-season Wells had come back in there to start and hadn't had enough work with the first group. Last week, without him, they protected just fine.

If you had improved CB and Safety personnel I would give your optimism more support. But I have seen too many times where a team brings in a big time FA and expects the world and it does not happen.

I mean Allen can't go out and guard DD or Jennings on a quick slant and to date neither can anybody else they have out there. Don't count on him to run over what amounts to a near All-Pro tackle either. Our guy got the best of him in last years matchup as well so when we talk real time experience there is no proof you can "dominate" all game long.

Where is it that the Vikes pass protection has now all of a sudden gotten so good the Pack can expect no success there and your line will dominate in that area as well? McCarthy is not stupid. He's going to load up on AP and then send the horses after TJack and if you don't think they can get after him I believe your mistaken.

"The train is leaving the station."

zombieslayer
Registered

16 years ago

#45

"NodakPaul" wrote:

I'll actually defend Brad Johnson. He's a quite capable QB. He doesn't turn the ball over and completes passes. Nothing exciting, nothing to write home about, but he gets the job done.

da Bears lost the SB because they couldn't throw. Wrecks Grossman panicked and lost them the game. Well, actually, his dumb ass coach should have pulled him out, but he was too stupid.

Back to Brad Johnson, take a look at his all-time stats. They're a lot nice than people realize. He was a capable QB. Pro Bowl in '99 and '02. 164 TDs vs 117 INTs. 28k+ yards. 83.1 rating. Like I said, nothing exciting, but pretty capable. The guy got the job done. I don't know why people dog the guy.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

zombieslayer
Registered

16 years ago

#46

Now, in defense of Nodak, a passing D can be greatly improved with the same secondary, but with an improved pass rush. The Giants secondary was not really that good. They were average. Nothing spectacular.

Now, what did they do? They knocked off 3 of the 4 top passing teams to win the SB. How did they do that? With a pass rush.

You can NOT throw the ball when you're on your back and the referee has blown the whistle. Sacks, pressures, hurries. The Giants were good at that. Got in your face. Made you get the ball off. Made you panic. Made you do something you'd later regret. It was their strength.

The Vikings are hoping they can do the same thing. If they can, they'll go farther than us Packer fans would like them to. That's the big if.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

bozz_2006
Registered

16 years ago

#47

Vikings pass D wasn't anything special last season, and while they added a great pass rusher, we'll have to wait and see what his effect will be. Judging by preseason, Allen will get his sacks, but i don't think he'll have the ripple effect on the rest of the team as the Vikings were hoping for.

pack_in_black
Registered

16 years ago

#48

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"jdlax" wrote:

Well played, Mr. Paul. Well played, indeed. +1

:thumbright:

Thanks to Pack93z for the sig!

pack_in_black
Registered

16 years ago

#49

"bozz_2006" wrote:

Here's the thing about Allen. If he had come here, we'd all be talking about how the move was Reggie White II. Super Bowl. Bam.

Of course, some would detract, and rightly so. My point is, he could send that team into "dominant" territory. He could, he could also just bump up their team sack totals. I'm leaning towards the former, myself. But, like everything, we'll have to just wait and see.

Hmm. All that to say "wait and see". My bad.

Thanks to Pack93z for the sig!

zombieslayer
Registered

16 years ago

#50

"pack_in_black" wrote:

Agreed PIB.

We're simply not giving Allen any respect because he's a Viking. I'm taking the addition seriously, and I'm sure MM is taking it a lot more seriously than any of us. He'll have to gameplan accordingly, especially if we don't have our starting OL at 100% by then.

Look for Bennett to work with our RBs on blocking especially hard before game 1.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

dfosterf (18h) : The LVN Musgrave collision- Andy Herman said Musgrave seemed to be the one most impacted injury-wise

dfosterf (18h) : a lower back injury

dfosterf (18h) : Doubs says he's "fine" after injury scare. Some reported it as z

Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : With LVN that is; need to see what happens in the next practice

Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : beast, reading about what happened, it sounded like one of those "two guys collide and are moving slow afterwards" type of deals

beast (12-Aug) : I believe Musgrave has been injured every single season since at least a Sophomore in highschool

packerfanoutwest (12-Aug) : Matt LaFleur: “Highly unlikely” Jordan Love plays more this preseason

dfosterf (12-Aug) : Doubs, Savion Williams, LVN, Musgrave all banged up to one degree or another, missing one here I forget

Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : RB Tyrion Davis-Price is signing with the Green Bay Packers.

Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : zero help, dominated. preseason

beast (12-Aug) : QB Jordan Love has surgery

beast (12-Aug) : Martha said Morgan had a lot of help, I didn't watch the OL so I can't say.

Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers LT Jordan Morgan did not allow a single pressure across 23 pass-blocking snaps vs. Jets last night, per PFF

Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : With buckeye and the reasonable couple, we're currently sitting at 10

buckeyepackfan (10-Aug) : Just posted to re-up on our FFL.

Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : If healthy after, then thats all I care. Well, no drops would be nice

wpr (10-Aug) : I made it through the 1st Q.

dfosterf (10-Aug) : Just gotta figure out how.

dfosterf (10-Aug) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.

beast (10-Aug) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it

Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : Sooooooo many penalties

Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist

Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!

Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason

dfosterf (10-Aug) : Well that half was fun

Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Great, zayne is down

Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff

Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south

Mucky Tundra (9-Aug) : THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL TONIGHT!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!

Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Woo-hoo

TheKanataThrilla (9-Aug) : NFL Network is broadcasting the game tonight, but not in Canada. Not sure why as no local television is showing the game.

beast (8-Aug) : But the Return from IR designations had to be applied by the 53 man cutdown.

beast (8-Aug) : It's a new rule, so it's not clear, but my understanding was that they could be IR'd at any time

Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : *had to be IRed at 53

Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : beast, I thought the designate return from IR players had to be IR at cutdowns to 53, not before

beast (8-Aug) : It's a brand new rule, either last season or this season, prior, all pre-season IRs were done for the season

beast (8-Aug) : But the Packers would have to use one for their return from IR spots on him, when they cut down to 53.

beast (8-Aug) : I think the NFL recently changed the IR rules, so maybe the season might not be over for OL Glover.

Zero2Cool (8-Aug) : Packers star Howton, first NFLPA prez, dies at 95 😔

dfosterf (8-Aug) : Apparently it is too complicated for several to follow your simple instructions, but I digress

dfosterf (8-Aug) : Zero- Did you see what I posted about Voice of Reason and his wife? She posted over at fleaflicker that they are both "In"

Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Well, not crazy, it makes sense. Crazy I didn't notice/find it earlier

Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : it's crazy how one stored procedure to get data bogged everything down for speed here

dfosterf (7-Aug) : to herd cats or goldfish without a bowl. They reminded me of the annual assembly of our fantasy league

dfosterf (7-Aug) : out on a field trip, outfitting them with little yellow smocks. Most of the little folk were well behaved, but several were like trying

dfosterf (7-Aug) : Yesterday my wife and I spent the afternoon on the waterfront here in Alexandria, Va. A daycare company took about 15 three/four year olds

wpr (7-Aug) : seems faster. yay

dfosterf (7-Aug) : Wife of reason posted on the in/out thread on fleaflicker that both she and vor are in

Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : This page was generated in 0.135 seconds.

Mucky Tundra (7-Aug) : Tbh, I can never tell the difference in speed unless it's completely shitting the bed

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings