As opposed to your using no numbers at all to support yours?
Of course I use numbers that support my argument. I don't know numbers that support yours. I'm not sure such numbers even exist, but I'm willing to listen if you or anyone else here puts them forth. The numbers I know are why I believe as I do. (Of which, btw, the above are just a small subset of what I could find; I looked them up between the time I read your post and the time I posted mine.)
Oh, by the way, those numbers that I found, on personal income, etc.? They're not mine. They're the government's. You don't trust the government's numbers but you trust them to spend your wealth wisely. (The only ones that weren't government numbers were the ones on the number of millionaires, etc., and I'm willing to bet someone was willing to dig deep enough, they're drawn in large part from government sources as well.
(Yes, your wealth. I'm safe. Thanks to my personal spending habits I have none for them to take. All they can take is my not-much-over-the-national-average income.)
Refutation still requires better numbers.
I expect I'll keep waiting.
Want me to admit that Bush The Younger was bad for the economy? Sure, that's not hard. Want me to admit that Clinton the Male was not as bad for the economy as Bush the Younger? Heck, I'll even admit that for the sake of argument. It's not the important question, anyway.
The important questions are (i) "why the heck has every President at least since Reagan, and probably since Eisenhower, been worse for the economy than the one who preceded him, and (ii) why, given fact (i), do people keep failing to realize that, when it comes to economics, "political solution" is an oxymoron?
Personally, I think the answer to (i) and (ii) both lies with our collective innumeracy and the poverty of our training in logic. If *we* paid more careful attention to logic, we wouldn't be so susceptible to public rhetoric from the right and from the left that constantly relies those fallacies that zombieslayer loves to rail against. And if we paid more careful attention to numbers, we wouldn't be so susceptible to quantitatively unsupportable arguments about big, small, fast, slow, significant, insignificant, etc.
But of course, three generations of increasingly shoddy educational practices and three generations of increasingly irresponsible journalism, exacerbated by several generations of technological change in communications, has moved us in the exact opposite direction.
Despite well over a century of public education, despite the land grant system and the GI Bill, despite the telephone and the television and the personal computer and the Internet, we are as a nation less literate, less competent at identifying logical fallacy, and less able to measure and weigh evidence.
Do you realize just how few in the "voting public":
1. Can identify an order-of-magnitude error?
2. Realize that the margin for error in a national income statistic like GDP is at best 1/10th of 1% (and probably one or two orders of magnitude bigger)?
3. Realize that an error of 1/10 of 1% for GDP of the USA is going to be about $150 billion dollars?
4. Realize that we are better at measuring GDP than any other aggregate economic variable?
5. Realize just how often the numbers the idiots in Washington use to make their arguments and counter-arguments, the numbers the idiots at CNN and Fox and NPR purport to "report" about, are almost always numbers SMALLER that that margin for error, and that therefore how meaningless the "quantitative" part of their argument is?
Do you realize that in historical terms an increase in average per person real income of just 1.5% a year had never existed ANYWHERE prior to 1750 for more than a few years? That the average rate of growth in per person real income per year prior to 1750 ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WORLD was about 0.02 percent? Not 2 percent, 2/100 of a percent.
Do you realize that 1.5%/yr is
two orders of magnitude greater than 0.02%/year.
Do you realize that in historical terms an increase in real average real income of about 1.5 percent per year means a doubling of per person income in just two generations worth of time. (As opposed to 175 generations under the old system?)
Oh, yes, and how long is a "two generation" period of time? Somewhere between 30 and 40 years.
Do people seriously think we are worse off today than we were in our grandparents' day? SERIOUSLY????
Are we more neurotic? Perhaps. Are we bigger whiners? Perhaps. Do we have more sense of entitlement? Absolutely. Are we more spoiled? Absolutely. Do we have more stress? Probably.
I mean, how many of us think an average return on investment of about 1.5% per year over our lifetime would be a good one? Of course not. We want more, more, more.
But are we worse off for having averaged that much? Not hardly.
LET ME SHOUT THIS LOUD: WE ARE NOT WORSE OFF THAN OUR GRANDPARENTS WERE.
Fact: Purchasing power is higher.
Fact: We have the ability to choose far more leisure. (That we don't do so, doesn't mean we have fewer choices; it merely means we have more things we want to do with our wealth.)
Fact: We have better health. Our children have better nutrition. We have better prescription meds and we have better over-the-counter care. We have better diagnostic tools (even those of us who can't afford med insurance).
Fact: We live longer. Look at life expectancy. Look how many more people are surviving well past 75 or even 80.
Fact: We can do things a lot longer. Look at the things 70-80 year olds do today and compare it to what 70-80 year olds could do 30 years ago.
Fact: We can do a lot more things. More travel. (How many people do you know who have been to a foreign country, or to 10-20 different states. How many of your grandparents never left their own state?
More education.
More stuff of a thousand different kinds. More expensive hobbies.
More choices of a thousand different kinds. More food choices. More sports to choose from. More than three kinds of beer on tap. More of just about anything to choose from.
Fact: Our environment is in far better shape. Anyone remember what the Great Lakes looked like 30 years ago? How much highway litter there was 30 years ago? How much more gas we wasted per mile 30 years ago? Anyone remember what the skyline over Gary, Indiana looked like 40 years ago?
Fact: We know a lot more about a lot more. Wikipedia is BETTER than the World Book Encyclopedia OR the Encyclopedia Brittanica. We know a lot more about what is bad for us.
Yes, the gap between "rich" and "not rich" has increased. And I'd rather be rich than as effed-up financially as I am, and I'm glad I'm in my financial position rather than that of those in the bottom 10% of the population.
But I'd also rather be in the bottom 10% of today's population than in the bottom 10% of the population 30 years ago. And it wouldn't even be a hard choice.
Yes, I wish I were 30 years younger, but that's a different sort of problem. I'll take being 30 years younger today over being 30 years younger 30 years ago; and I'll take being 30 years older today over being 30 years older 30 years ago. Every damn time.
Because you can pick any segment of the population you want -- shall we say the bottom 10%, just to be crotchety about it? And look at the numbers. And you'll find, for any measure of human well-being I can think of, that people in that segment of the population will be better off today than they would have been 30-40 years ago.
And I dare anyone, again, to find me quantitative evidence that says otherwise.
And if you do so, any time in the next four years, I'll vote for whichever political candidate you wish.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)