dfosterf
13 years ago

I'm no fuckin liberal, I'm a scorned Republican with a heart. Come visit me and I'll get you some fresh walleye from the cold waters of the Missouri, you old stubborn dumbass.



Originally Posted by: DakotaT 




I might take you up on that. I'm thinkin' vacation. We'll talk.

Wade
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13 years ago



Overall, this is why I believe that when you're talking about major legislation, there should either be a very immediate need for said legislation and/or a decent majority of public approval. When you make sweeping changes like the healthcare bill and this latest issue, if facts come out later or public opinion otherwise swings against the legislation, we're stuck with the consequences. That's not to say that healthcare and health coverage aren't big issues in our country (more for some than others), but I believe government should be more careful when pushing such changes. This is about as not-careful as you can get, bypassing the legislature altogether on an issue americans are very much divided on. The great unifier my ass.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I would add that every such major legislation should be required to have an expiration date that can only be changed by a super-majority. If you want to be depressed, take a look at Robert Higgs' Crisis and Leviathan. He shows persuasively and with an amazing amount of historical and other empirical evidence how every such "immediate need" has led to a ratcheting up of legislative and regulatory control that still lives even though any "emergency" need for it has long since ended. If you dig into the details of the statutes and the regulatory changes as Higgs did, you'll see that virtually all of the emergency regulation of the last 100 years or so is still on the books. I'm far too lazy to do that sort of systematic research myself. (Reading a couple books by Jeremy Bentham is bad enough; I've no interest in trying to process hundreds of thousands of pages written in his rhetorical style.) But Higgs did it. It's a sobering story.

And IMO it explains why even term limits aren't going to be the panacea claimed by many. It shows that if you can show/create "emergency"-like fear, you can screw things up for decades.


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Wade
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13 years ago

I'm no fuckin liberal, I'm a scorned Republican with a heart. Come visit me and I'll get you some fresh walleye from the cold waters of the Missouri, you old stubborn dumbass.



Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Admit it. You're an anarchist at heart. You've made it halfway -- you've realized that the Republicans offer no hope. All you have to do is realize that those well-speaking Dems offer no more.

Vote "none of the above," my friend. It's the only choice.

You, too, Foster.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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dfosterf
13 years ago

Admit it. You're an anarchist at heart. You've made it halfway -- you've realized that the Republicans offer no hope. All you have to do is realize that those well-speaking Dems offer no more.

Vote "none of the above," my friend. It's the only choice.

You, too, Foster.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



I want the "mean" republicans in charge. I don't believe in a free ride, be it at work or not at work... not on my back, thanks libs, union folk, and other slackers. Work. Earn a fair wage. Go home. It's simple.
zombieslayer
13 years ago

Admit it. You're an anarchist at heart. You've made it halfway -- you've realized that the Republicans offer no hope. All you have to do is realize that those well-speaking Dems offer no more.

Vote "none of the above," my friend. It's the only choice.

You, too, Foster.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



If Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, I'm writing in a vote for Wade. No more lesser of two evils.

Plus, at least Wade will bring back babes in the White House (a la Jack Kennedy).
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DakotaT
13 years ago

I want the "mean" republicans in charge. I don't believe in a free ride, be it at work or not at work... not on my back, thanks libs, union folk, and other slackers. Work. Earn a fair wage. Go home. It's simple.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



But does everybody have the same abilities as you? That's what is wrong with your line of thinking - you believe everyone is created equally and we are not. There are a lot of people not capable of your life. They need your help and if you are a true Christian - you should be more than willing to pay your taxes to help these people.


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DakotaT
13 years ago

Admit it. You're an anarchist at heart. You've made it halfway -- you've realized that the Republicans offer no hope. All you have to do is realize that those well-speaking Dems offer no more.

Vote "none of the above," my friend. It's the only choice.

You, too, Foster.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



I have no problem with your anarchist analogy. I would have made a great hippie. [grin1]


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Porforis
13 years ago

But does everybody have the same abilities as you? That's what is wrong with your line of thinking - you believe everyone is created equally and we are not. There are a lot of people not capable of your life. They need your help and if you are a true Christian - you should be more than willing to pay your taxes to help these people.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



There's a difference between being willing to pay your taxes to help others, and...

1. Wanting to help people more efficiently
2. Not wanting further taxation whose funds go to less charitable and more wasteful funding.

Helping those in need is key, but the government being a middleman is usually not required or even ideal. I've seen enough homeless, poor, or college students (see poor) fed by my old church on a bi-weekly basis, and enough groups to build houses and teach people valuable skills for life and employment to know that the more direct the help, the better. Hell, even the new job I started yesterday (a subdivision of a fortune 500 company nonetheless) uses company property as a garden which is used exclusively to feed the needy, and whose every employee is required to participate in at least one company-organized charitable cause yearly.

I'm not saying that government is worthless or doesn't have a role - after all, most people simply help those in their own community, which leaves many people left out. I'm just saying that it's not ridiculous to roll your eyes when the government says that the solution to the inequality in healthcare in this country is a 2700 page monstrosity involving dozens if not hundreds of different entities that need to work together. The bigger the scope of a single project, the more waste that is simply unavoidable. This ties into the conservative philosophy of state rights and the idea that the government is not the solution to every problem. There are basic services that the government needs to provide, that doesn't mean that government can or should fix everything.
Wade
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13 years ago

If Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, I'm writing in a vote for Wade. No more lesser of two evils.

Plus, at least Wade will bring back babes in the White House (a la Jack Kennedy).

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Not for Wade. For "none of the above."

[grin1]

On the other hand, making the Rose Garden into Playboy East is an attractive idea, isn't it. (Except I'd have better taste in babes than Hef. It should take more than bimbo-hood and fake breasts to get into the White House grotto.)


Kudos to zombieslayer for, finally, bringing sex into this thread. We've been slipping, folks.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Wade
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13 years ago

But does everybody have the same abilities as you? That's what is wrong with your line of thinking - you believe everyone is created equally and we are not. There are a lot of people not capable of your life. They need your help and if you are a true Christian - you should be more than willing to pay your taxes to help these people.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Everything you say before the dash is well-said. But the final, underlined statement does not follow from it.

Yes, a true Christian should act compassionately and in a giving manner toward those less fortunate and less capable. And we're going to have to account to Him for every one of our failures to do so.

But my paying taxes or not isn't going to be part of that accounting. Indeed, if I need the coercion of the state to get me to pay or do my share, that share isn't going to help me a bit with God. Because I'm doing it for the wrong reason. I'm simply doing it to cover my ass and keep out of jail and not look bad in the public eye. I'm not doing it to please God and follow his example.
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