D.J. Smith outplayed A.J. Hawk last season· Page 5

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

Damn, can the season just get here, THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS IS THAT W-L STAT.

Packers were pretty good in 2011.

I know everyone is starved for football, and it's real easy playing Monday morning GM.

Bottom line is until some of you realize that THIS IS A TEAM GAME, you will continue to over-analyze every game, every play, every player.

The one thing I have never understood is how some of you root AGAINST certain players on YOUR team.

I know everyone has their favorites, but to blatantly rip on a guy just because, IN YOUR OPINION, isn't playing up to his draft position, or isn't earning his contract is total bullshit.

Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy decide who is or isn't going to be on the team, I say it every year, this year I'm gonna say it a little early.

Whoever ends up on the final roster, I would hope you as a Packer fan will back those players.

I know I'm just talking to myself here, but I gotta try.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

As someone who likes to facilitate discussions during the off months of the football season and pays quite a bit for others to have that option, I punch you in the eDingaling for trying to halt a discussion! :)

I think the only play blatantly ripped on is Jarrett Bush. Even though the dude got an interception during the Super Bowl, something Charles Woodson failed to do. 🙂

DoddPower
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#42

Well, I'm just going to hold on to my faith in the "Carolina Boys" (DJ Smith and T. Manning) to be the SAVIORS at middle line-backer. Call me crazy, but I got hope, especially for Manning.

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#43

Jersey Al

It’s not going to be anything fancy that helps Smith overtake Hawk. All he has to do is prove that he’s a vastly superior tackler.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#44

Well, I'm just going to hold on to my faith in the "Carolina Boys" (DJ Smith and T. Manning) to be the SAVIORS at middle line-backer. Call me crazy, but I got hope, especially for Manning.

Originally Posted by: doddpower

So you are willing to put the defensive play calling responsibilities in the hands of a second year 6th rnd pick or a rookie 4th rnd pick?

Good luck with that.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

12 years ago

#45

I'm for any player that upgrades any position, but I don't think Hawk will be that easy to dislodge. Just a gut feeling. The above mentioned are some of the reasons and the staff seems to like him more than the fans. Staff wins.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#46

So you are willing to put the defensive play calling responsibilities in the hands of a second year 6th rnd pick or a rookie 4th rnd pick?

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

So, the higher round you're selected, the more intelligent you are? I'm not understanding the point here??

DoddPower
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#47

So you are willing to put the defensive play calling responsibilities in the hands of a second year 6th rnd pick or a rookie 4th rnd pick?

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

You completely missed my point. I'm shocked! I was obviously talking about long-term. If you have read my responses throughout this thread, you would have seen that I believe Hawk will be the starter throughout this season. I don't see the him being replaced by either Smith or Hawk. However, 2013 could be a different story. I'm hoping Smith, but even more so Manning, will have developed enough at that point to take over for Hawk because I wouldn't be shocked if he was no longer a Packer then. Sure, I could be wrong, but he will have to have a really good season for the Packer's to pay him what he is owed in 2013. I suppose he could be offered another extension that would reduce his single season cap hit, but I'm basing any assumptions off what's on the books presently. I'm not to speculate too far out.

Besides, Smith did a pretty good job filling in for Hawk as a rookie, although he could have been better. I don't have any reason to think he won't improve, but that's yet to be determined. I would be shocked if Manning makes much of an impact in his rookie season, if Bishop and Hawk stay healthy. I hope (and expect) he will develop into a solid or better player a year or more down the road.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#48

So, the higher round you're selected, the more intelligent you are? I'm not understanding the point here??

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Experience was the 1st point, 6yr vet vs 2nd yr and rookie, less of a factor is what rnd they were drafted. Higher rnd draft picks are deemed more NFL ready(football iq), than lowere rnd picks.

How many rookie and 2nd year guys have been thrown into the fire before they are ready, only to fail and have their careers end before they ever get started?

I remember a couple of cb's the Packers drafted a few years ago (Carroll and Taylor?), coming out of college they both looked to have bright futures, but both were forced to start before they were ready and both suffered the consequences.

Everybody gets replaced,Hawk's time will come, but not because he "SUCKS" as so many here have said, it will be because (hopefully) one of these younger guys will get better than him, as of right now A.J. Hawk is The Packers best option at the position he plays.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#49

IF they are both drafted the same year, but in rounds 4 and 6, how does experience play a factor? The Packers won't put a player in the starting position unless its absolutely necessary. The other options would have been exhausted already.

I just don't understand how a 4th rounder is unquestionably better than a 6th rounder. You bring up former players?

1st round - Antuan Edwards
2nd round - Fred Vinson
3rd round - Mike McKenzie

The only one worth a lick was the 3rd rounder. The point I'm making is let them settle it on the field, not where they were drafted.

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#50

Jersey Al

The more likely scenario would be that Hawk will start the season opposite Bishop as starting inside linebacker. Smith will get his chance to play early in the season on some key plays and if he shows capable enough to handle Hawk’s responsibilities, he’ll play more.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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Zero2Cool (35m) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?

beast (35m) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (35m) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (39m) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

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packerfanoutwest (1h) : both teams can not male the playoffs....falcon hold the tie breaker

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packerfanoutwest (1h) : falcons are already ahead of us

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beast (1h) : If Packers lose the rest of their games and Falcons win the rest of theirs, they could pass us... but not gonna happen

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Mucky Tundra (4h) : Packers are not in and have not clinched a playoff spot.

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Martha Careful (21-Dec) : I think MLF want Love to look past the end half issues, and feel good about his play. Our coaches generally keep a very positive tone.

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