Should Packers try out Johnny Jolly?· Page 3

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

12 years ago

The downside is that we get some injuries at the position at which he is taking up a roster spot, then come playoff time he tests dirty. Meanwhile Ted's long since released a bunch of guys who might not have been quite as good, but who could have helped us win it all.

But that's a chance you take. The Queens took that chance when they made that blockbuster deal to trade for Jared Allen.

It's no different than a freak injury. It can happen any time. Some guys have more of a history than others, but you can lose a player for many reasons.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

The Ted wouldn't release a "bunch of guys" to keep Jolly. He is big, but he still only takes one roster spot.

He also would be taking the last spot on the roster. Probably not going to be the spot of a big difference maker.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

68md
Member

12 years ago

#22

No I am sorry he just doesn't take a spot ? 😳

You have x number of practices and limited time to get them going and see who goes and who stays.

Do you take snaps away from the guys that will play and are guaranteed to contribute ?

Do we take reps away from Worthy so we can see if maybe JJ still has it ?

Forget about 2009 . Since he left we went 21-2 and won a SB.... Not too darn shabby.

My point is do we really really need to take the risk ? Or do you hunt with the dogs ya got ?

musccy
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#23

No I am sorry he just doesn't take a spot ? 😳

Do we take reps away from Worthy so we can see if maybe JJ still has it ?

Forget about 2009 . Since he left we went 21-2 and won a SB.... Not too darn shabby.

Originally Posted by: 68md

This. Many are saying he was good in 2009. Well Tomlinson, Ochocinco, and Albert Haynesworth were too, and they didn't spend the last 2 years away from the game.

Stevetarded
Registered

12 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: 68md

Some of our dogs are Johnny Jones, Philip Merling, Daniel Muir, Jarius Wynn. None of those guys has a great chance of making the roster. I wouldn't have any problem at all with one of them hitting the road to see if Jolly can still play. Why does Jolly being around take reps from Worthy and those guys being around are no problem?

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play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#25

No reason to not have him in for an evaluation. If he looks worthy of joining the roster, I am all for giving him a shot at redemption. Johnny Jolly had a very difficult upbringing. I believe his mother was a severe addict, leaving him genetically predisposed to becoming an addict himself. The guy made his mistakes, no doubt. It would be good to see him turn his life around, and play for the Packers, if the staff thinks he merits the roster spot. That would really be something, as a lot of time has passed since he last played. Definitely a long shot.

Yeah, bring him in if he gets reinstated.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: 68md

A try out is to find out if he has anything worth while. Do we agree on that? (that's a real question, not sarcasm) I'm thinking if he shows the same talent that made the Packers offer him a contract, then he's worth one of the 90 roster spots, no question. The Packers need big men up front who can push.

The Packers went 10 - 6 in 2010, 4 - 0 in the 2010 playoffs, 15 - 1 in 2011 and 0 - 1 in the 2011 playoffs. That's 29 and 8 since Johnny Jolly left with that little thing called a Super Bowl sprinkled in there, lol. Jolly's last game was in 2009.

Yerko
Senior Member

12 years ago

#27

Right now, aside from Raji and Pickett, Packers defensive line is terrible. Those two are the core, proven starters. Add in the unproven rookie, Worthy, and they may have their 3 starters. What comes after that?

Neal- Suspended 4 games (still) and a nice history of injuries. Hasn't done anything special.
Hargrove- Suspended 8 games (still). Don't see this being overturned.
Daniels- Unproven rookie. Is a rotational player at best right now. Also undersized for a 3-4 DL.
Guy- Unproven.
Jones- Unproven.
Merling- Don't know too much about him but looking over his career, nothing great. Rotational player at best.
Muir- Doubt he makes the cut. If he does, rotational player at best.
Wilson- We have all seen what he can do, which is close to nothing.
Wynn- We have all seen what he can do, which is close to nothing as well.

Hot garbage.

Why not give a chance to Johnny Jolly, who did work back in the day for the Packers? Its not like he would be taking a roster spot from someone who is an all star. He is a proven 3-4 DL and while he has had a good time off away from the game, a try out isn't going to hurt the team.

If he has a good try out, the Packers pick up a guy that can help tremendously with a very weak part of their game.
If he has a bad try out, the Packers cut ties and nothing is lost other than time.

JOHNNY JOLLY 2012! (I am all for the comebacks)

musccy
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#28

I get that everyone deserves a second chance, and there are some questionable "Packer People" currently on the team such as Walden, or in the past with Koren Robinson.

However, although I have virtually no personal experience with, and thus little understanding of drug addiction/abuse, I see this as an unnecessary risk to bring on someone who has repeatedly made the same mistake. Can he be trusted to stay clean for an entire season? If there is reasonable doubt, why should the organization even entertain the idea with a "try out?"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: musccy

Aaron Rodgers publicly stated (that's right, he didn't whisper it in my ear!) that the NFL makes a mistake by banning a suspended player from the team because it removes their support group. I think with the NFL in Jolly's life, he'll have more incentive, plus he'll have buddies wanting to see him succeed. We know what happened when that was taken from him, he want back to his old buddies and got into more trouble.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#30

Simple....if he's allowed to return, you give him a chance. If he does excellent on the practice field, you give him a roster spot.
Also, he's used up all of his "get out of jail free" cards. If he screws up ONCE, he's gone PERMANENTLY.
But i see no down side for giving him a chance.

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