Indy, Saints and Rams all had weak Ds but great passer rating differentials.

It doesn't matter if it comes from O or D, it matters just how great the difference is.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

It's true Bishop didn't play as well last season, but he was outstanding in 2010. The below link summarizes his play fairly well. He'll need to rebound next year, but I didn't think his play dipped as much as Hawk's did. Since '10, Bishop's been the better overall player.

Originally Posted by: porky88 

Heh. I actually love these discussions.

Yes, it was either you or Nonstopdrivel (or possibly both) that showed that passer rating differential is actually a better stat than D ranking.


And yes, had we not had all those drops....

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

I didn't see where they summarized both Hawk and Bishops performance from last year in any of those links. I think Bishop had a better game against NY in the passing game because they don't attack the LBs with TEs much. They also have a more mediocre QB. Phil Rivers tore Bishop a new one in the Chargers game.

Hawk was also outstanding in 2010. The only time I saw him mentioned was in the NO game last year, nothing for 2010 or for the rest of 2011. They didn't even list his numbers.

But since people don't like AJ, nobody wants to credit him for running a super bowl winning D. Or running a D that help the team go 19-0 for a stretch without surrendering the lead in the 4th quarter.

I don't have a problem with Bishop playing the run. I do have a major problem when the O lines a TE up on his side and he is forced to cover. In which he was much worse than Hawk.

Personally, I think because people have gotten a "bad feeling" about Hawk, they like to undersell him. And over sell Bishop for the same reason. A couple flashy plays and all the sudden he is the most complete LB in the league.

While I may agree that Hawk doesn't look like a top 5 overall pick, that alone doesn't make Bishop better. If Bishop were a top 5 overall pick, he would not be living up to those expectations in the passing game either.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

Bishop was rewarded with a new contract and a starting job in 2011. Exactly how good is he after just one year as a starter? Only he and James Farrior had ratings above +4.0 in each defensive category: run defense, pass rush, and pass coverage. His play has pushed Nick Barnett to the backup spot heading into 2011, despite Barnett being one of the league’s best inside linebackers in 2009.

Head Coach Mike McCarthy has said Smith will have a chance to push for a starting role this season which could mean moving on without Hawk and his $4.4 million in salary cap money. With this year’s fifth-round draft pick Terrell Manning from NC State and the recent move of Brad Jones and Jamari Lattimore from OLB to ILB, the team appears to be in position to do so. However, the Packers have a history of questionable decisions when it comes to the #5 pick in the 2006 Draft. The Packers coaches kept Bishop languishing on the bench behind Hawk (a move that many, including Bishop himself, questioned publicly) for a good two years before an injury to Nick Barnett early in 2010 finally got him on the field. Bishop immediately went about the task of proving to Packer management how wrong they had been. Over the last two seasons Bishop has graded out at +46.3 to Hawk’s -3.8.

I didn't see where they summarized both Hawk and Bishops performance from last year in any of those links. I think Bishop had a better game against NY in the passing game because they don't attack the LBs with TEs much. They also have a more mediocre QB. Phil Rivers tore Bishop a new one in the Chargers game.

Hawk was also outstanding in 2010. The only time I saw him mentioned was in the NO game last year, nothing for 2010 or for the rest of 2011. They didn't even list his numbers.

But since people don't like AJ, nobody wants to credit him for running a super bowl winning D. Or running a D that help the team go 19-0 for a stretch without surrendering the lead in the 4th quarter.

I don't have a problem with Bishop playing the run. I do have a major problem when the O lines a TE up on his side and he is forced to cover. In which he was much worse than Hawk.

Personally, I think because people have gotten a "bad feeling" about Hawk, they like to undersell him. And over sell Bishop for the same reason. A couple flashy plays and all the sudden he is the most complete LB in the league.

While I may agree that Hawk doesn't look like a top 5 overall pick, that alone doesn't make Bishop better. If Bishop were a top 5 overall pick, he would not be living up to those expectations in the passing game either.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

The difference between the two in the passing game had to be what like 10 receptions and maybe a TD. Those numbers seem pretty insignificant over the course of an entire season. Especially when you consider everything Bishop does better. I'll take all of the times he pressures/sacks the QB or drops a runner a yard shy of the first down over those 10 or so receptions.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/12/secret-superstar-d-j-smith-lb-green-bay-packers/ 
Here's one that makes some comparisons

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 

The difference between the two in the passing game had to be what like 10 receptions and maybe a TD. Those numbers seem pretty insignificant over the course of an entire season. Especially when you consider everything Bishop does better. I'll take all of the times he pressures/sacks the QB or drops a runner a yard shy of the first down over those 10 or so receptions.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/12/secret-superstar-d-j-smith-lb-green-bay-packers/ 
Here's one that makes some comparisons

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 

"Bishop immediately went about the task of proving to Packer management how wrong they had been. Over the last two seasons Bishop has graded out at +46.3 to Hawk’s -3.8."

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 

"Bishop immediately went about the task of proving to Packer management how wrong they had been. Over the last two seasons Bishop has graded out at +46.3 to Hawk’s -3.8."

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded