play2win
12 years ago

The DE is much more important than the safety. Pickett and Raji did not get adequate rotation last year, and that absolutely has to be the next priority.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I could not agree more. We need both a 5 technique DT/DE and a NT in this draft. Of course, you know I'd love for Teddy to snap a trade and land both in R2!
play2win
12 years ago

I wouldn't mind getting a stud DE but also consider:


He always seems to be near the ball. Plays the run pretty good and can defend. He has a few warts but I think they can coach him up a bit.







Originally Posted by: wpr 



wpr, I couldn't argue should they decide to take him in R2, same with Iloka. For all we know, the 5 techs are relatively the same between R2-R4. We definitely should add a S. I just want Ted to be sure we get our rush. I trust he will.
play2win
12 years ago

I know -- some even picked him as the Packers #28.

I guess its a combination of things:
1. The Big Ten games I saw, announcers salivated over him a lot. But I just didn't see it. It was sorta like B J Raji has been for me. Before the Super Bowl year, Raji really hadn't showed that much to me. Then he had a great year (second half especially). And then last year he was just average. In 2010 he needed constant doubling. Last year, he couldn't even beat single blocking all that often. Yeah, Worthy's had times where he looked unstoppable; I'm just not convinced he's going to consistently be such. Seems to have to line up back extra far; doesn't do as well against doubles as I'd like.
2. And I think there is better DT talent out there. Ta'amu, for example. To be sure, Ta'amu is a NT and if you're thinking Worthy as a 3-4 DE he's better than Ta'amu. But good enough to warrant a 2?

With all his successful trading down over the years, Ted has convinced me of the importance of not picking players too high for the draft spot. And I think Worthy is farther from a 2nd round value than Perry is from a first.

Of course, wpr and Kevin and all the rest will torch me when I complain of Worthy at 59. (shrug)

Originally Posted by: Wade 



McGinn sure wasn't raving about him in his recent podcast. I'm with you, and would rather have Ta'amu. It seems we could possibly add a same or better 5 tech in R3, maybe into R4. There are some players there...

Tyrone Crawford
Trevor Guyton
Derek Wolfe
Malik Jackson
Brandon Thompson
Dominique Hamilton
Akiem Hicks
Billy Wynn
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12 years ago

The DE is much more important than the safety. Pickett and Raji did not get adequate rotation last year, and that absolutely has to be the next priority.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


There you go with drafting too much for need and not enough by value-at-position. [grin1]

I actually would be quite happy if, say, the Packers went with a NT like Ta'amu for just that rotation reason. But if there is no 2nd-round quality DT/3-4 DE available when the packers are on the clock? No. And I think of all the players realistically possible at 59 (which doesnt include Ta'amu, alas), Martin the FS offers the biggest upside.

IMO.


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nerdmann
12 years ago
Here's my board by position. Correct me if any of these guys have been taken.

OLB
Upshaw, OLB Alabama
Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
Vinny Curry, OLB Marshall

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
DL
Kendall Reyes, UConn
Devon Still, Penn State
Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
Brandon Thompson, Clemson
Jared Crick, Nebraska
Derek Wolfe, and Cincinnati
Alameda Ta'amu.(NT)
lower tier:
Mailk Jackson
Trevor Guyton
Josh Chapman
Tyrone Crawford
Hebron Fangupo
Dominique Hamilton
Akiem Hicks
Billy Wynn

S
Janoris Jenkins, S, North Alabama
Josh Robinson, S, Central Florida
Alfonzo Dennard S, Nebraska
Dwight Bentley S, Louisiana-Lafayette
Brandon Taylor, LSU, 5-11¼, 209
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State, 6-0¾, 207
Trent Robinson, Michigan State, 5-9¾, 195
Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma
Trumaine Johnson, Montana
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
Brandon Taylor, LSU
Casey Hayward CB, Vanderbilt

Other
Martin, RB, Boise State
Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State
Konz, C. Wisconsin
J. Robinson, CB, UCF
Lamar Miller RB, Miami
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flep
12 years ago
if grant is gone, rb, if not a cb and move woody to fs
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nerdmann
12 years ago

if grant is gone, rb, if not a cb and move woody to fs

Originally Posted by: flep 



Dennard and Bentley are the guys I actually like at S. Casey Heyward might be ok to make the transition from CB.
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12 years ago

I know -- some even picked him as the Packers #28.

I guess its a combination of things:
1. The Big Ten games I saw, announcers salivated over him a lot. But I just didn't see it. It was sorta like B J Raji has been for me. Before the Super Bowl year, Raji really hadn't showed that much to me. Then he had a great year (second half especially). And then last year he was just average. In 2010 he needed constant doubling. Last year, he couldn't even beat single blocking all that often. Yeah, Worthy's had times where he looked unstoppable; I'm just not convinced he's going to consistently be such. Seems to have to line up back extra far; doesn't do as well against doubles as I'd like.
2. And I think there is better DT talent out there. Ta'amu, for example. To be sure, Ta'amu is a NT and if you're thinking Worthy as a 3-4 DE he's better than Ta'amu. But good enough to warrant a 2?

With all his successful trading down over the years, Ted has convinced me of the importance of not picking players too high for the draft spot. And I think Worthy is farther from a 2nd round value than Perry is from a first.

Of course, wpr and Kevin and all the rest will torch me when I complain of Worthy at 59. (shrug)

Originally Posted by: Wade 



go for it big boy. don't wimp out on your bitching. you have the right to do so. if you don't like a pick say so.
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12 years ago

wpr, I couldn't argue should they decide to take him in R2, same with Iloka. For all we know, the 5 techs are relatively the same between R2-R4. We definitely should add a S. I just want Ted to be sure we get our rush. I trust he will.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



fair nuf.
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12 years ago
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