How would going on the PUP list get him in football shape? When you are on the PUP you aren't allowed to practice.

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One word answer. Madden.






I wonder how they conducted this research.

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Easy. You get two groups of players. One group is a control group, they haven't had the surgery. Then you have the test group. You take all those guys in and operate on them.

Then you mix them up randomly so that the experimentor doesn't know which is which. Each guy gets pounded straight down on the top of his head, super hard.

At the end, you do data analysis. All the ones who are paralyzed turn out to be from the control group. Easy!

Oh yeah, first you get a grant. Probly from a group of spinal surgeons.

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wow.

don't forget thanking him for the wonderful evening.

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i applauded u for creativity

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Butchers!

Wish I could make 100,000+ doing a surgery on someone with no symptoms that has a 'cr$%' prognosis
(not really)

Not much is known about his symptoms after his injury; but what was written was that he had no neurological symptoms after injury; his CT was negative. Most likely his MRI showed a disc bulge.
The surgery was performed pretty quickly after his injury 10days~.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/3194/nick-collins 

For everyone that doesn't know much about disc bulges ... They are Common with a capital C. I've seen various numbers listed from 64% of the population to 30%. And many of these being with people that are asymptomatic.

I'm going to use one example; pt comes in with mri confirmed disc bulge at the L5 area, has meeting with spinal surgery scheduled for may 10th; seen pat for less then 2 weeks and getting spinal surgery is the last thing on patients mind atm ... his symptoms are drastically reduced.

My point being did Nick Collins need spinal fusion surgery to correct a disc bulge and was adequate conservative care given to him; less then 10 days for conservative care? (certainly doesnt sound like it ...) - and the symptoms listed in the paper did not describe much; although we were not privey to all his symptoms and findigs.

The question is should Nick Collins have received neck surgery? Was it the right choice for him - financially? health wise? Football wise? spirtial wise?
Feel free to look up symptoms of people that have had spinal surgery and their long term issues.
And as we can see his football career doesnt look that promising atm.

No I cannot make that decsion for him; but it looks like it was strongly suggested to him to seek surgery and not conservative care; most likely was suggested that the disc bulge could impact him in a severe way even thou it was not doing so atm and that surgery would help prevent this and conservative care wouldn't do much.

Yes Im still mad about what was done to nick collins and I wish he had the opportunity to try something less drastic.

Let Nick Collins surgery be a lesson for you; next time your GP suggests some unnatural approach do your research first.

I read from a few places that the only reason Nick Collins needed the surgery was to have a chance to play in the NFL again. That he could have went without it and lived a 'normal' life.

Financially, I think he could afford it, lol.

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I don't think that he personal finances were a determining factor. He was injured on the field during a game. That is work comp. He was not able to return to work but he was on salary so to speak. (He still got paid.) Rehab was also paid for by the comp ins or when he uses the Packers facility.

There have been a few snide remarks cast in the direction on Ted and Mike about them being cold and heartless when it comes to deciding whether or not to let Nick play, one can say the same about Nick. It can be argued he went ahead with a possibly needless surgery at this time because if he waited 20-30 years to have the surgery when he would really need it he would have to pay it out of his own pocket. By that time he would no longer be covered by the Packers work comp policy. The insurance company at that time could say he was fine and re injured it at a later date outside the work environment. He would not be entitled to come in and use the training facilities. If he has a career at that time he would not be paid during his rehab. (Depending of course on his career path.)

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When speaking of Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy allegedly wanting Nick Collins to retire is all about money ... why is it not mentioned that Nick Collins agent, Alan Herman also said he's urging his client to retire and if he were his son, that would be his recommendation? An agent doesn't make money off retired players.

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