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Dulak
10 years ago


Dude was all world, and his career ended IMHO for no good reason. An acupuncturist could have solved that "neck bulge" in a matter of maybe 3 weeks. No need for surgery, no need for his career to end. And it made me fucking sick to my stomach.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I concur with the sentiment here ... big nick collins fan. I was really upset and disgusted by the outcome to his injury also. Wrote many posts here talking about it; from linking the cost for neck surgery 100k plus (on just a regular guy) too trying to understand why the surgery was done in the first place. I concluded they pressured Nick into it - dangling his nfl career in front of him. Meanwhile it ended anyways - due to the surgery.

Many of you know Im a chiropractor and just wanted to add to Nerdmann's statement.

An athlete tends to be easier to treat then a 'average' person. Approx 65% of the people I see suffer with disc bulges; very common. 'They' say that if you would MRI random people with no symptoms that 30% would show a bulge.

We didnt get much info on collins but I recall that there were no neurological deficits and I dont even know if there were much in the way of symptoms. I dont know what that MRI would of shown for them to push for surgery. I bet it didnt show much.

Weather its acupunture, chiropractic, physio ... whatever. Conservative care first then do something else. If I recall correctly surgery was done soon after the injury (week - cant remember if it was a week with collins or finley or both).

This is my word for the people that did it and recommended it. Ruining a pro-bowl safety's career - Butchers
nerdmann
10 years ago

I concur with the sentiment here ... big nick collins fan. I was really upset and disgusted by the outcome to his injury also. Wrote many posts here talking about it; from linking the cost for neck surgery 100k plus (on just a regular guy) too trying to understand why the surgery was done in the first place. I concluded they pressured Nick into it - dangling his nfl career in front of him. Meanwhile it ended anyways - due to the surgery.

Many of you know Im a chiropractor and just wanted to add to Nerdmann's statement.

An athlete tends to be easier to treat then a 'average' person. Approx 65% of the people I see suffer with disc bulges; very common. 'They' say that if you would MRI random people with no symptoms that 30% would show a bulge.

We didnt get much info on collins but I recall that there were no neurological deficits and I dont even know if there were much in the way of symptoms. I dont know what that MRI would of shown for them to push for surgery. I bet it didnt show much.

Weather its acupunture, chiropractic, physio ... whatever. Conservative care first then do something else. If I recall correctly surgery was done soon after the injury (week - cant remember if it was a week with collins or finley or both).

This is my word for the people that did it and recommended it. Ruining a pro-bowl safety's career - Butchers

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



Truth. Nick had been kicked in the head or something, and had experienced numbness. That had subsided. So of course they attribute that to the bulge. Much of this is on Nick for not getting the right treatment.

Joe the insurance salesman would probably develop a bulge from sitting at a desk working on a computer all day. Hard to say. But these structural issues do NOT correlate with functional issues. They can't but like Dulak says here, you can scan everybody and many if not most will have some abnormality.

Not difficult to treat, either.
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