Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago

One has to question the ability of the NFL to hand out penalties to both players, coaches and franchises alike in a fair and unbiased manner.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


I would not be opposed to the league's farming out its enforcement to an independent investigator. Do you think such a service could do a better job?

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12 years ago

According to PFT , Payton had expected to hand the reins to Joe Vitt during the 4-game suspension he anticipated coming down the pike. But Vitt himself has been suspended for 6 games, so that plan has to be scuttled. This organization is in disarray at the moment.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




I am glad Peyton is feeling the pain.. it is about time the NFL goes beyond the players in handing out stiff penalties for their actions. I feel no pity whatsoever for Peyton, Williams nor Vitt.




"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Agreed... the draft picks hurt worst.


I know it is spilled milk, but this crackdown (deservedly if they have the evidence to prove intent) illustrates one thing. The Patriots got off cheap for disregarding a notice to cease and continue to garner an unfair advantage upon the field. Burning the tapes by the NFL without disclosing the contents is and has been the smoking gun in the whole deal.

Granted, it doesn't have the same shock effect as the word "bounty", it still was a cheating the integrity of the game. Clump in the basic ignorance of wrongdoing but the Broncos in the salary cap gyrations, albeit that was not on Goodell's watch, the NFL has a bit of an issue upon in hands going forward without some form of favoritism being even more prevalent than already shown.

One has to question the ability of the NFL to hand out penalties to both players, coaches and franchises alike in a fair and unbiased manner.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Take away the lawsuits for concussions, head injuries and other health things as of late and I bet this punishment is not as harsh.

As for what the Patriots did, don't all teams spend time reviewing footage of teams anyway? I think what they did was wrong, but they weren't putting bills down to end peoples careers.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Oh, and I bet this has Vikings' fans panties in bunches too.
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12 years ago

I would not be opposed to the league's farming out its enforcement to an independent investigator. Do you think such a service could do a better job?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Certainly, I think there needs to be some sort of panel in place for both player discipline as well as franchise/coach discipline. Independent or a broad range of backgrounds from within the football community.

I firmly believe that SpyGate had way more meat to it and that the NFL had a serious integrity issue on its hands, basically that the games we decided fairly without undue and unfair advantages through ignoring the rules set forth. Instead of exposing the issue and having to deal with years of questionable results upon the field, they chose to bury it and write it off as minor.

Hence, some of Goodell's words of protecting the integrity of the game mean zero to me. He chose not to disclose what was upon the spygate tapes.. for really not reason what so ever.

Just to properly frame my comments, I do not feel it is apples to apples in terms of the offenses of the Saints and the Patriots, clearly they are not. Health of players verses integrity of the game are completely different contexts.. but the underlying problem is not.

Part of the earning of integrity by the NFL of the fan base is to know that it is a equal playing field and that discipline is being doled out fairly. At this point, I think that is in question at best.




"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
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Take away the lawsuits for concussions, head injuries and other health things as of late and I bet this punishment is not as harsh.

As for what the Patriots did, don't all teams spend time reviewing footage of teams anyway? I think what they did was wrong, but they weren't putting bills down to end peoples careers.

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Agreed.. I clarified it as well, tardy but just the same.


Just to properly frame my comments, I do not feel it is apples to apples in terms of the offenses of the Saints and the Patriots, clearly they are not. Health of players verses integrity of the game are completely different contexts.. but the underlying problem is not.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
That's right, the Super Bowl is played in New Orleans this season, double whammy ouch. Time to bust out those paper bags with "aints" written in black marker on them.
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4PackGirl
12 years ago
holy shitballs - can't believe they actually DID something!

now my question is, can payton et al appeal suspensions/fines or is this it - done deal?!?
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now my question is, can payton et al appeal suspensions/fines or is this it - done deal?!?

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 



I would believe they can appeal, however that is part of the problem currently in the NFL.

Whom hears the appeals? The man that handed down the punishment.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
earthquake
12 years ago

I would believe they can appeal, however that is part of the problem currently in the NFL.

Whom hears the appeals? The man that handed down the punishment.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Not true when it comes to player appeals, that's handled by an independent panel composed of Art Shell and a couple other people I think. I can't imagine why it would be different for coaches.
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