AKampfan78
13 years ago

I think it's been proven that TT's done a great job in the draft, however, it seems that OL and DL are not his strengths. He's whiffed on a number of linemen and perhaps needs better scouts for those areas.

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 



I do not agree with you man, granted Neal has not quite panned out, but Bulaga and Raja are 2 picks Ted Thompson made that are both difference makers on the team. Sure Neal has been marginal so far, My issue is they way the Packers leaned on him and he was not able to contribute.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Of course, the media has to contact Rhonda Neal, Mike Neals mother. - link 



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nerdmann
13 years ago

First... lets look at Neal's posting of photo after photo of how "buff" he is.. thus it surprises me none that he might dip into the supplement/PED arena to add a little extra shred to his frame.

Second, I don't think Ted has an issue in evaluating defensive line talent, rather more that he has tried to address it more so in the second/third day of the draft more often than hitting it early in the draft.

For as much as I was disappointed in Harrell in his inability to stay healthy (and work to keep his body in top shape) the pick wasn't a truly horrible pick. Harrell had the upside if we could have gotten it out of him and helped him prepare better. The one season he actually worked his ass off he tweaked his back in the gym.. bad luck.

Neal, as mentioned previous, flashed potential to be a solid NFL lineman, but he as well had a injury history along with him. Now it seems he also has other baggage, I wouldn't cut him, but Neal has a ton of work to get back into good standing.

Jolly was a hit on the field.. just couldn't keep his nose clean.

I don't think Ted can't draft defensive and offensive line players.. I just think it sometimes he believes to much that we can turn water into wine. That said, and I will say it for the hundredth time, I don't have much faith in the developmental skills of James Campen.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



What injury history did Neal have? Iirc, the only rap on him was that he "took plays off," but it turned out that it was because his college team never took him out of the game and he had to pace himself.
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Pack93z
13 years ago

What injury history did Neal have? Iirc, the only rap on him was that he "took plays off," but it turned out that it was because his college team never took him out of the game and he had to pace himself.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



From memory.. knee (surgery), shoulder issues as well. I believe he was called a "tease" in college because he struggled with injuries. I shall google.




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Pack93z
13 years ago
3 of five seasons affected by injury.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/564095 




Neal rehabbed after knee surgery during his redshirt season and missed five games with a turf toe injury in 2006. In 2007 he began to make his presence felt by making 3.5 tackles for loss and two sacks as reserve in 13 games. When finally receiving the chance to start the past two seasons, he accumulated 68 tackles, 21.5 for loss and 11 sacks.

Neal's injury history prompted coach Joe Tiller to call Neal "a tease" during spring 2008 practices, but Neal's toughness won't be questioned by scouts, as the former top Indiana high school recruit played through a torn labrum the last three games of 2007 and fought constant double-teams as a senior. His inconsistent motor and use of his brute strength to disengage from blocks won't impress scouts, but his general athleticism will earn him a spot somewhere in the middle third of the draft.

2005: Redshirted while rehabbing after knee surgery
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Yerko
13 years ago
This is unfortunate. I was really hoping Neal would come into his own and really do something for the Packers. It's 100% his fault that he dipped into some illegal supplement, but I can only imagine the pressure he had on him to come in after a championship season and fill the shoes of Cullen Jenkins only to get hurt in the preseason.

No excuses...dumb decision.

I had lost some hope in him contributing to the Packers defense. Now all hope is really out the window for him (to me). I really wish Ted Thompson would dip into FA for a defensive lineman (are there any decent ones?) or he drafts one early. I think he can find a decent DE in the 2nd round of this draft...very deep class of defensive linemen this year.
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nerdmann
13 years ago
JSO 

Colleague Bob McGinn's excellent story, which features Neal's mother insisting he didn't test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, There's always the chance that Neal tested positive for an attention disorder deficit drug, which many critics of the drug program say slips through the cracks. I have no idea if there's even a slight hint that's the case, but I've talked to players before who have said they have ADD and would not take the medication because they were afraid they would test positive.



As for Neal's future, I think it all depends on his explanation to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. If they feel he was an abuser of PEDs then I would think they would let him go.




Here's an interesting tidbit:

He's carrying more weight than his body is probably capable of doing and he may not be suited for this defense.


He's a big workout guy, so if he's carrying too much muscle for his frame, maybe that's why he's injury prone. Frankly I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't something about Green Bay. Too many injuries in too few seasons, even though they've completely changed training staffs twice.
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13 years ago
IMO we never should have gotten rid of Rock Gullickson.

It's the first time I've felt this way, but unless he has a REALLY good reason for failing this test, I think it's time to release him.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Unless the Packers land a blockbuster defensive lineman in the draft, I don't see any way in hell they release Neal this year.
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lolleren
13 years ago

Unless the Packers land a blockbuster defensive lineman in the draft, I don't see any way in hell they release Neal this year.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I dont see why they would release him even if they did, he is not getting paid as a starter but as a rotational guy, which he would still be if they landed a stud dline in the draft.
Its not like carrying a injuried player on the roster for the regular season, where he might be back in 3-4 weeks, or he might not be. They know he will be available in week 5.

And though he hasnt shown much, i would rather have him on the roster and then cut ties with either Green, Wilson or Wynn.

Only reason to cut ties with him is if he gets injured again some time during the offseason.

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