porky88
13 years ago
http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/article/1637/2012_Team_Needs_NFC_North/ 

I looked at the NFC North needs in this article. It's remarkable that this team won 15 games with the amount of needs they have. I think many bought into this team's talent, including myself, but I didn't like what I saw. It's a talented team, but it's not an all-time great dynasty in the mold of the 90s Cowboys.
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13 years ago

I think some people here would be naked on purpose though. That's how some folks here roll.

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i do like to be naked but i am not interested in this situation
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

I think some people here would be naked on purpose though.

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I know not whereof you speak .

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zombieslayer
13 years ago

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/article/1637/2012_Team_Needs_NFC_North/ 

I looked at the NFC North needs in this article. It's remarkable that this team won 15 games with the amount of needs they have. I think many bought into this team's talent, including myself, but I didn't like what I saw. It's a talented team, but it's not an all-time great dynasty in the mold of the 90s Cowboys.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



We're two solid D players away from being a dynasty. Note that we had the #2 D last year and the 3 differences were Jenkins gone, Collins' injury, and Woodson went from being one of the top players in the NFL to being pretty good.

I do think we need 2 OL as we went into '11 one OL short. So yes, DB, DE, OLB, and OL. That's not as dire as it sounds. We were a 10-6 team last year, not a 15-1 team. He's right about that. How many teams won it all with the #1 D but in the bottom half in D? I can think of the '09 Saints and that's about it. Gotta rebuild this D.
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porky88
13 years ago

We're two solid D players away from being a dynasty. Note that we had the #2 D last year and the 3 differences were Jenkins gone, Collins' injury, and Woodson went from being one of the top players in the NFL to being pretty good.

I do think we need 2 OL as we went into '11 one OL short. So yes, DB, DE, OLB, and OL. That's not as dire as it sounds. We were a 10-6 team last year, not a 15-1 team. He's right about that. How many teams won it all with the #1 D but in the bottom half in D? I can think of the '09 Saints and that's about it. Gotta rebuild this D.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


It's not as simple as just replacing three players. Football doesn’t work that way. There was regression. More importantly, there was more regression than improvement. Tramon Williams played poorly. Sam Shields looked awful at times. A.J. Hawk's struggles are well known. Defensively, the only player that got better was Desmond Bishop. I still like Ryan Pickett, but he's a big man, and there is no telling he'll continue to play at a high level.

Offensively, they can't close out games with their current structure. The offensive line has holes. There are serious questions at OLT. T.J. Lang hits or misses on just about every play and there is no alternative to Scott Wells at center.

What is the one thing the Packers did well last year? They threw the ball. Where else were they good? Where else were they even average? Those are scary questions.

nerdmann
13 years ago

It's not as simple as just replacing three players. Football doesn’t work that way. There was regression. More importantly, there was more regression than improvement. Tramon Williams played poorly. Sam Shields looked awful at times. A.J. Hawk's struggles are well known. Defensively, the only player that got better was Desmond Bishop. I still like Ryan Pickett, but he's a big man, and there is no telling he'll continue to play at a high level.

Offensively, they can't close out games with their current structure. The offensive line has holes. There are serious questions at OLT. T.J. Lang hits or misses on just about every play and there is no alternative to Scott Wells at center.

What is the one thing the Packers did well last year? They threw the ball. Where else were they good? Where else were they even average? Those are scary questions.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Alot of these guys will have their first offseason ever in the program. I'm talking about guys like Shields, even Zombo, Walden, So'Oto, some of these other guys. That will benefit them considerably, imo.

We can win with this offense. We've got a bunch of young RB now who can not only pass pro, but can catch AND make people miss. AND who have speed. I like our young guys at that position. We can improve on offense, but I'm not worried about the offense.

We were pretty decent on special teams. Cobb was a major improvement at KR/PR. Crosby and Masthay were pretty good too.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

It's not as simple as just replacing three players. Football doesn’t work that way. There was regression. More importantly, there was more regression than improvement. Tramon Williams played poorly. Sam Shields looked awful at times. A.J. Hawk's struggles are well known. Defensively, the only player that got better was Desmond Bishop. I still like Ryan Pickett, but he's a big man, and there is no telling he'll continue to play at a high level.

Offensively, they can't close out games with their current structure. The offensive line has holes. There are serious questions at OLT. T.J. Lang hits or misses on just about every play and there is no alternative to Scott Wells at center.

What is the one thing the Packers did well last year? They threw the ball. Where else were they good? Where else were they even average? Those are scary questions.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



It's all about pass rush. Give us one guy who can generate pressure opposite CM3 and another guy who can generate some pressure from the DL itself and you'll have a completely different team. You'll see T Williams and Sam Shields look solid again.

If I remember correctly, Williams and Shields regressed because of time. The saying that football is a game of inches is a myth. It's a game of seconds. I don't care how good of a DB you may be, if you give anyone enough time, you'll eventually get burned.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I'd like to point out that Tramon Williams regression might have had something to do with his injured shoulder. I haven't heard anything about Sam Shields, but he tackled like he didn't want to bruise his vagina at times.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
Burnett's broken hand, missing Neal and him not being 100% when he was in, missing Collins. There are a lot of things that contributed.

I also think they were not as bad as people are saying. They were mediocre, not horrible. They allowed yards but not points. They took the ball away and scored a lot on D. They played a great deal of the time with huge 4th quarter leads so they played a lot of prevent.

If they cut down on the big plays the gave up by just a couple a game, they would have been fine.

Bishops coverage was very poor. Much worse than Hawks in my opinion.

I think a good remedy for that would to put Francois in the middle with his height, reach and better speed. So they can move Bishop to OLB where he can rush and play the run more.

I still feel that with all the problems that the D had, the O lost them more games than the D. They need to fix those drops even more than they need to fix the D.
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porky88
13 years ago

It's all about pass rush. Give us one guy who can generate pressure opposite CM3 and another guy who can generate some pressure from the DL itself and you'll have a completely different team. You'll see T Williams and Sam Shields look solid again.

If I remember correctly, Williams and Shields regressed because of time. The saying that football is a game of inches is a myth. It's a game of seconds. I don't care how good of a DB you may be, if you give anyone enough time, you'll eventually get burned.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


We focus on the pass rush problem, but they have no OLB capable of sealing the edge, either. They need somebody that can play the run. Frankly, I used to think that teams could run on CM3 because of his aggressive nature. That still may be true, but the Packers are so bad on the other end, that teams just run over there.

For the record, I agree that pass rush is the biggest problem. I harp on pass rush every off-season. I rather have an elite pass rush than an elite secondary or rush defense any day. I fear that Packer brass looks at the way you are and many others look at it. Find a pass rush and our defense is back. I don't agree and I don't think the offense is going to cover up as many mistakes next year. The run defense isn’t great and the tackling is awful. There are serious problems and the in house options are fewer this season than in previous years.
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