dyeah_gb
13 years ago
My green and gold glasses tell me 12 is the obvious choice for MVP. I am happy for Brees but there was some stat padding going on in New Orleans.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
First, Yards are pretty much meaningless.

Of the 17 400+ yard performances by a QB this year ranked by passing yards, 11 were lost. That is a winning percentage of about 35%.

Second, Brees didn't throw beeter, he threw more. If Rodgers and Brees had the same number of attempts, Rodgers would have about 650 more yards than Brees, More TDs (which he already has) and fewer INTs (again, which Aaron already has)

Third, Brees had half as many drops per throw. Rodgers had 8% of his passes dropped while Brees had 4% of his. Rodgers at 72.3% would lead Brees at 71.2% in completion % with an extra 4% completions.

Fourth, Rodgers had more 80+ yard TD passes and more 40+ yard TD passes.

Fifth, Rodgers was under pressure more. With fewer attempts, Rodgers was sacked 36 times to Brees' 24. Rodgers was sacked 7.17% and Brees was sacked 3.65%.

Rodgers was more efficient under more pressure and had more drops and still scored more TDs (if you count rushing).

Sixth, Brees turned the ball over 15 times and Rodgers turned the ball over 6 times.

Seventh, Rodgers called the plays in a game where the QB threw a franchise record breaking 6 TD passes and set a franchise record for yardage in a game.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Drew Brees finished with 46 TD's
Aaron Rodgers finished at 45 TD's

Aaron Rodgers called in plays during the first half. A funny note, Rodgers calling plays, 24 points, McCarthy calling plays 21. Hmm, haha.


Sacks are not pressures. Let's find the stat line that shows how many times each was flushed out of the pocket and then we can speak about being pressured.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Peter King considered splitting his vote between Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees due to Brees' late-season statistical push, but ultimately decided Rodgers was the better quarterback over the whole season and gave him his vote. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
UserPostedImage
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Drew Brees finished with 46 TD's
Aaron Rodgers finished at 45 TD's

Aaron Rodgers called in plays during the first half. A funny note, Rodgers calling plays, 24 points, McCarthy calling plays 21. Hmm, haha.


Sacks are not pressures. Let's find the stat line that shows how many times each was flushed out of the pocket and then we can speak about being pressured.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Rodgers ran in 3 and Brees ran in 1.

Rodgers 48 TDs. Brees 47 TDs.

Rodgers has more TDs with 155 fewer passing attempts and 4% more drops.

You are right about sacks not being the only pressure. However you can probably guess that if Rodgers is getting sacked twice as much, he is probably getting more pressure.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
DoddPower
13 years ago

Regarding if Matt Flynn's performance diminishes the chances of Aaron Rodgers winning the MVP.



I hope they announce the MVP for Drew Brees before the Packers play next. Yes, I like Aaron Rodgers playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




I've got to agree with this. I think Rodgers definitely deserves it. However, it would likely irritate him if he doesn't win and that can only mean good things for Packer's fans! Yes Rodgers, you need to throw for 6,000 yards, 55 tds, 5 rushing, and 4 ints to win MVP. Now go!!
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Rodgers ran in 3 and Brees ran in 1.

Rodgers 48 TDs. Brees 47 TDs.

Rodgers has more TDs with 155 fewer passing attempts and 4% more drops.

You are right about sacks not being the only pressure. However you can probably guess that if Rodgers is getting sacked twice as much, he is probably getting more pressure.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


My mistake, I missed it when you said total touchdowns including passing and rushing. I think you could make Drew Brees look less worthy if you included turnovers, not just interceptions while you're at it. Slant away!!

A sack is not a pressure, it is a sack for crying out loud! A pressure is flushing the QB out of the pocket. Unless we are changing definitions of common football terms. Which if we are, please cite the source so I can update my ass on the new "lingo".

Pressured - quarterback flushed out of the pocket
Hurried - quarterback threw the ball with defenders in his face
Sacked - quarterback tackled behind line of scrimmage

Does Webster have a dictionary on football terms or do we just make'em up to suit our statistical agenda? 🙂
UserPostedImage
13 years ago

Regarding if Matt Flynn's performance diminishes the chances of Aaron Rodgers winning the MVP.



I hope they announce the MVP for Drew Brees before the Packers play next. Yes, I like Aaron Rodgers playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I am sure the way Flynn performed put a chip on Rodgers shoulder.
UserPostedImage
gbguy20
13 years ago

Regarding if Matt Flynn's performance diminishes the chances of Aaron Rodgers winning the MVP.



I hope they announce the MVP for Drew Brees before the Packers play next. Yes, I like Aaron Rodgers playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



don't they normally wait until after the superbowl to announce?
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Porforis
13 years ago

I am sure the way Flynn performed put a chip on Rodgers shoulder.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Good. If past performance is an indicator of future returns, I expect a few 7 TD games this postseason from Rodgers.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Mucky Tundra (32m) : @jalenreagors They’re discussing if Sheduer can go back to college on NFL Network LMFAOOOOO
    beast (2h) : Great point Martha
    beast (2h) : Buddy Ryan used to say if a candy bar goes missing, there are two to blame, Rex and Rob 🤪 jk 😁
    Martha Careful (4h) : Bum Phillips used to say there are two ways to get better. Get better players or get players to play better. We have a new DL coach
    Zero2Cool (5h) : Yes. Look at the losses last year. They can win.
    beast (5h) : Can Packers win with their current DL?
    bboystyle (6h) : waiting for a pass rusher.
    dfosterf (9h) : 5 minutes between picks in the 3rd
    dfosterf (9h) : 3rd. Hate this phone
    dfosterf (9h) : 4rd
    dfosterf (9h) : 5 minutes in the 4
    dfosterf (9h) : 7 minutes between picks in the 2nd round
    Martha Careful (9h) : Sorry to bitch, but the headline writers in that section absolutely mislead, or don't know how to read. It is maddening
    Martha Careful (9h) : No thanks. Not a dependable guy to be in the right place and run the right route. Dumb as a box of rocks.
    Zero2Cool (10h) : Losing 2nd round pick for a one year rental, not ideal. Especially a headcase.
    TheKanataThrilla (10h) : Pickens for Jaire may be interesting. Definitely not sure we want Pickens long term.
    dfosterf (11h) : No.Absolutely not
    Zero2Cool (11h) : NO NO NO NO NO NO!!1 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
    dhazer (11h) : scenario: Our main prospects are off the board when our pick comes around, do we just throw a 2nd round pick at Pittsburgh for Pickens
    TheKanataThrilla (11h) : Hopefully she had some comfort that her son will be live his dream when she passed away. Sad news.
    Mucky Tundra (12h) : Damn that sucks
    Zero2Cool (12h) : News about Derrick Harmon mom, saddening.
    Zero2Cool (14h) : Mark Murphy: "I predict we will trade up once and down twice."
    beast (15h) : Rip the Packers and getting the fans yelling and booing him
    beast (15h) : Super competitive Bears fan and WWE "superstar" wrestler, Seth Rollins is supposed to announce a Bears pick and absolutely rip Packers
    packerfanoutwest (25-Apr) : Golden
    beast (25-Apr) : I want DT Derrick Harmon, Oregon
    Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : And I can't be looking at my phone
    Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : Hey I'm at work lol
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : btw, new site chat won't delete auto like
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : because everyone left like wimps
    TheKanataThrilla (24-Apr) : I am wondering if there is some type of autoclear when there isn't activity after a certain amount of time.
    Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : What happened in the chat? Me and Zero posted a few things earlier and they're all gone
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : 10-15 min bs plus flyover
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : Yes
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : 7pm is when this kicks off????
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : I told him. IT'S VONTE MACK , no matter what!
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : He asked me who I thought The Browns were taking.
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : 2. Would of had to wear Browns gear all week. NOPE I'll watch from my living room.
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : He wanted to know if I would go. 2 things, would have had to fly from Detroit to Green Bay. Nope
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : All expense paid trip to the draft. He will be in the Browns section. I told him to say hi to J-10VE for me 😃😃i
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : For a call from my nephew, he won an sllexp
    TheKanataThrilla (24-Apr) : Hope to see everyone in the Chat tonight!!! Go Pack Go!!!
    TheKanataThrilla (24-Apr) : Jeanty would be a great pick-up for the Bears. I see Warren mocked to them as well who I think would be a great selection.
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : GameDay Chat is open. Posting bits an tids in there.
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : Excellent Source: The Bears have a deal in place to move up to 5 if Jeanty is there.
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : Probably not until 10pm will be making pick
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : But it is still not tonight. Lol
    wpr (24-Apr) : Today is finally here.
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : I should have put it in quotes
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

    24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    24-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

    22-Apr / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.