dyeah_gb
12 years ago
Have to give credit for the Chiefs. They had great ball control and made very few game changing mistakes. This fact along with a lackluster performance by our offense spelled defeat to the Pack. I concede that the recent injuries didn't help us.

Maybe other teams have tried too hard to beat us and the correct approach is to just play what our defense gives you. Was it the Broncos that went for it twice on fourth down this season in the red zone and lost on both? The Chiefs took those field goals today and won the game.

We are still 13 and 1 and have plenty of time to secure home field advantage. It will be interesting to see what the Lions and Bears take away from today's game.
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nerdmann
12 years ago
They didn't turn the ball over, but we lost this game by not moving the ball on offense.
By which I mean primarily not catching passes that were in our hands and also not running the ball more while Grant was hot.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
The production of this receiving corps has steadily declined since teams starting switching from zone to man coverage a few weeks ago. They've shown that they are vulnerable to such a scheme. I think we are going to continue seeing DBs draped all over our receivers until they start getting more consistently called for interference. To this point the Packers have been playing a pretty deep game, as reflected by Rodgers' leading the league in yards per attempt, and so far it has been working. The time may have come to start including more short and intermediate routes and to actually start looking their way more often. And by short routes, I don't mean eligible receivers catching the ball behind the line of scrimmage, which sometimes seems to be the main alternate this offense has to the deeper stuff.

But that is still missing the point. The fact remains that this offense is not going to be able to put out 37 points every game. Sooner or later the defense must figure out a way to stop teams inside the 20s. They can't rely on opposing quarterbacks making mistakes, because eventually you come up against a quarterback like Orton who may not have a cannon for an arm but is certainly very efficient.

It's fine to lose a couple in the regular season, but if Rodgers has another game like he had in the Bears in the NFC Championship Game -- and considering the Packers will probably sew up home field advantage this season, that is not an implausible scenario -- there is no way I can feel confident in this defense to rescue him.

What's baffling to me is this team has proven it CAN get stops. It happens in the red zone all the time. And again, that's great as long as the offense is scoring tons of points. But when you consistently give up field goals at the end of drives, you are putting pressure on your offense to produce every drive too. Meanwhile, you are burning time off the clock. And even if you prevent the field goal, you're giving the ball back to the offense with much worse field position than if you had forced a punt from your side of the 50.

It seems to me that the defense should be able to switch its focus to a more aggressive approach predicated on getting third-down stops when it's obvious the offense is not performing to standard, instead of continuing to rely on a model that is more geared to losing as slowly as possible than actually winning the game.
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musccy
12 years ago
I agree with what much of what Nonstop just wrote, I don't think the Chiefs exposed anything we (or the league) didn't already know about our defense.

Then on offense, even with man coverage, the team has been able to use the backshoulder, or A.R. has been accurate enough to thrown someone open, even timed "hook" routes to some of the bigger targets, namely Finley. We didn't see that today, but I'm not so sure it was a matter of anything the Chiefs were doing as much as it was A.R. not trusting that these guys could catch a ball duct taped to their hands.
nerdmann
12 years ago
The defense didn't rise to the occasion and win this game for us. But they didn't lose it either. They are what they are. This is how they usually are, they just didn't get any turnovers today. Unless you count the one where they stuffed em on fourth down. Wasn't there a goal line stand like that? Irrc.
As for the receiving corps, seems to me they've been getting open, they get their hands on the ball, they just can't hang onto it. Maybe someone's untying their shoes after the play.
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Dexter_Sinister
12 years ago
The blueprint is to play your best game of the year against a disinterested Packer team and barely win.

If they can manage that, they got it made.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
I found the following comments posted on the GBPG forum last week after the Giants game. (Holyterra is one of the best posters on that site.) It's interesting to look back on them now.

[. . .] The coaching staff, however, scores every play. According to MM, our D has been beaten 5 plays per game more frequently than last year. That's quite a few.

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Sure, I don't disagree with that. I have called them a little above average this year. Which is quite a bit lower than they were last year when they were one of the top Ds in the league. 5 plays a game sound about right.

However, you have to also consider the league leading turnovers. Some times a huge play on D makes up for a couple where you just were not as good as the other team.

Like I have said before, the 100 rating they allowed Eli is something that would concern me. Personally I don't care about the yards. They don't mean anything. But that rating wasn't good.

It was better than the Saints allowed him though.

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And like I have said before, you cannot rely on takeaways in every game, particularly against QBs that make a habit of protecting the ball, the kind we're likely to run into in the playoffs. You can, however, rely on a fundamentally sound defense, if you have one.

I don't care about yards either in any one particular game, provided you get the takeaways. However, the yards will matter a lot without them.

Occasionally, a D will step it up a notch in the playoffs, but for the most part a unit's personality and performance is established by this point in the season. It is beyond the point where much can be done about it.

This defense has played best when playing man press coverage and blitzing, but we've not done a lot of that in combination. It is probably viewed as too risky, but it seems to get the guys focused on staying with the receiver and less about "making plays", which more often then not turns into "bad technique", i.e., guessing wrong about where the receiver and/or the top side help is going. We stink in zone when the Newtons and Rivers are not throwing behind or airmailing balls over their receivers. We'll see how far it takes us. I guess we'll just have to keep out-shooting opponents.

Lets hope everybody is healthy for the playoffs, and Go Like H*ll, Pack, Go!

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I don't see why the picks have to slow down. We have been doing this for the last 18 straight games. Against playoff teams.

They don't just get picks, they give up 40 yards and force a punt, they make teams go for it on 4th down and get nothing out of it because they are so far behind they take risks.

They may be getting beat 5 more time a game than last year, but I still think overall they win more than they lose. Which is the whole point.

Yes it would be nice if they were better, that should go without saying. But I think they are a better than average D that has been playing prevent a lot. Allowing yards and scores that don't mean anything.

holyterra wrote:



It's a long, interesting discussion you can read here 


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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago

The Packers' loss gives hope to the rest of the league's potential playoff field. As it turns out, you can beat Green Bay if you pressure Rodgers consistently, hit him often enough, and make him play tenatively in the pocket. Just like any other NFL quarterback. The Chiefs sacked Rodgers four times (three by outside linebacker Tamba Hali) and that doesn't even begin to tell the story of how effective and relentless their pass rush was against Green Bay.

For the Packers, their shaky offensive line play just became concern No. 1 as they look ahead to the playoffs. Green Bay's offensive line hasn't exactly been the Great Wall of China even in the best of times, but it got overran by the aggressive Chiefs, who at times beat the Packers with just a three-man rush.

Even worse for Green Bay, its line is now banged up at the wrong time of the year. Right tackle Bryan Bulaga left the game in the first half with a knee injury, and his replacement, rookie Derek Sherrod, the team's 2011 first-round pick, broke his leg in the third quarter. That required right guard T.J. Lang to shift over to right tackle, leaving only right guard Josh Sitton and center Scott Wells in the slots they began this season in.

Green Bay should remain the overwhelming NFC favorite heading into the postseason, but the Packers suddenly look vulnerable in ways they haven't all season. The loss of injured receiver Greg Jennings (knee) to the passing game was noticeable, with Rodgers completing just 17 of 35 passes (his first sub-50 percent completion showing of the season) for 235 yards, a mere 59 of those in the first half when Kansas City held a 6-0 lead. Green Bay's other pass-catchers did not pick up the slack, dropping at least five or six of Rodgers' throws.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/12/18/week.15/index.html#ixzz1gwQ2GlsJ 

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Silentio
12 years ago

The blueprint is to play your best game of the year against a disinterested Packer team and barely win.

If they can manage that, they got it made.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


This is a good point. The Packers looked bored today, much like the did in the second Lions game last season. I think they’ll look a little more interested next week against the hated Bears (especially if the 49ers don’t lose tomorrow). By the way, if the 49ers lose on Monday the Packers clinch home field advantage. Am I wrong?

I do think that in a game where the offense can’t get it going, the defense looks terrible and doesn’t get even one turnover, and the O line is dealing with in-game injuries the Packers can be beat. I don’t think that was a secret before today. I also don’t think it’s going to happen again.
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all_about_da_packers
12 years ago

The blueprint is to play your best game of the year against a disinterested Packer team and barely win.

If they can manage that, they got it made.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Disinterested or injured at key positions?

I'm not sure I would say they were disinterested as much as calm and a "let's go about this like we would otherwise" sort of way. Frankly, their calm and laid back demeanor could be taken as a positive that they were in control of their emotions, knowing how to go about doing their task. It could just as easily been seen as apathy, but everything up to this point (passion, their determination, McCarthy leading them to be focused) seems evidence against the fact that this team was disinterested.

Pickett was a huge, huge loss. Howard Green is no where near that level. James Starks... hell even Saine would have had some more opportunities for big plays.

Add that to Walden playing with astounding lack of discipline (seriously, set the friggin' edge to contain the run) and again our pass-rush being Clay or nothing... our loss was just as much the players' fault as anything the Chiefs did.

Perhaps the good thing to come out of this is that the players will be pissed. Like "no. more. screw-ups period" pissed. Because our players (on both sides of the ball) have shown themselves to care enough to want to get better, and I do not doubt they will have a fire lit under them from here on out.

Frankly, if the defense does not come out next week and completely dominate, it will say an awful lot about what this defense is (or, more importantly, is not). But this may turn out to be the best thing for our team. Gather their focus. Re-commit themselves. And be pissed off like no tomorrow. A lot of good can come from this.
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