Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Hardly.

I watched Joe Namath play and that "hype and perception" is probably something that you picked up on the flip side.

Namath was not one of the all time greats, but to say that he was below average is absurd.

My original comment was in reference to Namath's quick release, and that Dexter, rivaled Marino's very, very closely.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 


What was Namaths career passer rating? What was the average for the entire NFL during his career?

I know already, but I will let you look it up and shatter your own illusions.

Hype and perception.


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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Wasn't Namath's career winning percentage something like .480? His greatest accomplishment was managing not to throw an interception in the Super Bowl.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Namath had a career passer rating of just 65.50 while the entire NFL for the length of his career averaged 66.34
The ugly truth.

Namath was not even average. But he was really hyped up so people had the Perception that "Broadway Joe" was a great QB and not just a PR construct.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Hell, Joe Namath had a quicker release than Aaron Rodgers.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 



Joe was pretty damn quick when it came time to unleash the hound.

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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Joe was pretty damn quick when it came time to unleash the hound.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


He had a premature celebration problem?
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DarkaneRules
13 years ago
I see QBs hit open receivers all day. What makes Aaron Rodgers so incredible is his ability to throw people open. It is amazing.
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RedSoxExcel
13 years ago
I always feel kind of bad for Marino. I never liked him but who did he really play with? If he had some of teams that Manning, Favre, Brady, Rodgers, etc. had, who knows what he could have done. But may be that was on him because I can't remember where I read this but people said he was selfish and wanted to be the "man", so he didn't really want or push for other stars. Overall though, the guy was insane, that release is at least equal to Rodgers.
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RedSoxExcel
13 years ago
Also anyone else excited to watch ESPN First Take tomorrow to hear Skip Bayless's response to Rodgers drive with 50 seconds level? That thing was just plain masterful, that throw to Nelson was awesome, absolutely perfect. 50 seconds, if we had to, we could have scored a TD that drive with 50 seconds left.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

I always feel kind of bad for Marino. I never liked him but who did he really play with? If he had some of teams that Manning, Favre, Brady, Rodgers, etc. had, who knows what he could have done. But may be that was on him because I can't remember where I read this but people said he was selfish and wanted to be the "man", so he didn't really want or push for other stars. Overall though, the guy was insane, that release is at least equal to Rodgers.

Originally Posted by: RedSoxExcel 



Out of curiosity, I looked up the Dolphins' D rankings under Marion and they were horrible. The only exceptions were 1983 (his rookie season) when the Dolphins had the #1 D, which is unfair because how many QBs are even decent as rookies? It wasn't until 1990 that they even cracked the top 10. They were #4 in 1990. That year the Bills knocked them out of the Playoffs (you probably remember the Bills being the AFC dominant team and losing 4 straight SBs).

Then in 1998, surprise surprise, the Dolphins somehow end up with the #1 D. They got blown out by the Broncos who went on to win the SB that year.

On O in '98, Marino didn't have a single All Pro or Pro Bowl player. His RB was Karim Abdul-Jabbar (yeah, I'm not making this up) and his WRs were OJ McDuffie and Oronde Gadsden. If you're wondering who they are, don't worry, I am too. To add injury to insult, Gadsden got injured that year.

So yeah, Marino wasn't on great teams.
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nerdmann
13 years ago

Out of curiosity, I looked up the Dolphins' D rankings under Marion and they were horrible. The only exceptions were 1983 (his rookie season) when the Dolphins had the #1 D, which is unfair because how many QBs are even decent as rookies? It wasn't until 1990 that they even cracked the top 10. They were #4 in 1990. That year the Bills knocked them out of the Playoffs (you probably remember the Bills being the AFC dominant team and losing 4 straight SBs).

Then in 1998, surprise surprise, the Dolphins somehow end up with the #1 D. They got blown out by the Broncos who went on to win the SB that year.

On O in '98, Marino didn't have a single All Pro or Pro Bowl player. His RB was Karim Abdul-Jabbar (yeah, I'm not making this up) and his WRs were OJ McDuffie and Oronde Gadsden. If you're wondering who they are, don't worry, I am too. To add injury to insult, Gadsden got injured that year.

So yeah, Marino wasn't on great teams.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


Those guys weren't bad. In Marino's prime, he had the Marks Brothers, Clayton and Duper, and no running game, so his passing stats are arguably inflated a little by that fact. Not to mention they probably relied on passing to keep pace with opponents if their defense was that bad.
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