I didn't bring up Favre... Since69 did... and my whole argument in this thread was more based on that general opinion than anything you said.

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Pack i totally agree with you in that (🅱fOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE OBVIOUS QUESTION. RODGERS HASN'T PROVEN HE CAN TAKE THE BALL WITH 2 MINUTES OR LESS AND DRIVE HIS TEAM DOWN THE FIELD. i have said that a few times already but i see the Rodgers lovers won't look at your main point they just come up with different excuses.

Its a sad thing when a rookie like Matt Ryan has more comebacks then a guy that is suppose to know a system inside and out.

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Good post.. excellent rebuttal and opinion.. time will tell.

That hit he took and got up again.. damn that was brutal.

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Not yet. He's showing potential to be mentioned with the greats, but he has a long way to go first.

My opinion, it's unrealistic for him to be expected to be a Brett Favre in his first year leading the team--Brett Favre wasn't even Brett Favre in his first year...

Rodgers needs some time on the field in actual game situations and he'll learn, for example, he doesn't have to win it all back with one throw, but he can lose it with one.

Get real dude, your throwing out random statements just to protect your boy.

#1, Favre didn't take over for a team that was 13-3.

#2 I'm not going to go back in history but I'll just go back back two weeks ago. Favre leads Jets to TD. Pats tie it. Favre leads the Jets to a game winning FG in OT.

#3 Your missing the whole point of the post. He didn't say anything about Rodgers never having "it". He just hasn't had it thus far and if you think he has, your even more bias than I thought.

It's simple, he's had 4 chances, and he didn't come through in any of them. IF he gets even two of those, we're 7-5 and in the lead for the division. Your missing the whole point because of your blind hatred for Favre. Why the obsession with Favre? What does that have to do with anything?

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While I think this has been the one valid criticism of Rodgers this year it might not be so cut and dry as he doesn't have the ability to do the late drive.

We cite four chances to come back and I take that to be Tampa Bay, Tennessee, Minnesota, and Carolina. For arguments sake I'll throw in Atlanta for analysis.

Tampa Bay - on the second play of his last drive a defensive end came completely unblocked from the blind side and killed him as he let go of the ball. No quarterback would not have thrown an interception on that play unless they had eyes on the back of their head. Inexcusable from the line and in no way is that Aaron's fault.

Atlanta - with 3:35 on the clock Rodgers got the ball knowing he needed two scores, and two scores quickly. He drove the team 72 yards for a TD leaving 1:56 on the clock and two timeouts for the defense to stop the Falcons. The defense failed. But right here we see a successful example of the two minute offense from Rodgers.

Tennessee - In Rodgers last drive he drove into Tennessee territory but could not get past the 43. It was close but he didn't do enough. The defense fell apart afterwards and he never got another chance. The criticism holds here.

Minnesota - Rodgers first play went for 19 yards and got us into Minnesota territory. We then ran twice and on third Rodgers had to take the check down to get us into field goal range. Crosby missed a field goal, albeit a 52 yarder, but one that he is more than capable of making. He gave our kicker a chance to win it, which was as much as he could do with the play calling. Again, this one is not on him and we would not be discussing it if Crosby hits that field goal.

Carolina - Okay, we were down by 11 points at half. Rodgers led two scoring drives in the 3rd to tie it, then twice led drives to take the lead in the fourth including one that gave us the lead with less than two minutes to play. Yes he failed to do it one last time but honestly this game would've been a blowout without Rodgers carrying us back into it and twice leading drives that could have, and should have won it. That right there is "it." And as for the throw, well he shouldn't have tried to force it but if he gets a little more on it, it is completed and we're in business. It's a mistake he'll learn from. The criticism holds on the last drive, but the rest of the second half is evidence to the contrary.

All in all, his fourth quarter come back ability has not been as bad as some would have you believe. He's actually done quite a few good things to give us a chance in the dying minutes. Besides the few things listed above, he also led the drive for a go ahead field goal against the Lions after they had taken the lead. That ended their momentum and put the pressure back on their offense, allowing our defense to take care of the rest. It may be the Lions but he still did it and that's something we can't completely overlook when we're discussing this. I think he does have "it" and that will be made manifest in the years to come. He's been knocking on the door all season long.

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So we have a q/b that puts the kicker in a spot to make a fg and kicker fails, so its all on AR?? (** please do not bring crap about AR didnt get them closer**)

BF gets his kicker for a chance to make a fg, kicker makes it and its all BF??

Perfect example of double standard

one chance was not met by his kicker...If his kicker did what BF kicker did that would be a 6-6 record right now..


before I am blasted...


He could have done more, but he did just enough for the Pack to win...

scoring over 28 points 2 weeks in a row and the Pack lose? Thats not his fault

For all the preaching on this website from the so-called "Rodgers" supporters, what we have here is the idea that so-far -- that is to say, so-far in Rodgers FIRST SEASON AS A STARTER -- he doesn't possess this magical "intangible" quality to single-handedly win games with "moxie" and "guts."

I call it BS. I call it total BS. That "thing" we're looking for -- this elusive quality that Favre and all the "greats" had -- wasn't probably something we were probing for in the FIRST SEASON wherein they started. Does anyone remember asking whether Elway in his FIRST season as a starter possessed the 4th quarter grit to carry a team? What about Montana? Anyone? C'mon.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all about asking good questions and having good discussions. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think the 13-3 season last year did something to our collective psyches. Specifically, it arose in our heads this notion that immediate analysis of the "Favre-intangible" (that "magical" 4th quarter winning ability) is the only apt comparison to make with our new quarterback. Don't ask, "Is he tough?" or "Does he carry himself well?" Don't ask, "What is his completion percentage?" or "How about that TD-to-INT ratio?" No -- let's just immediately compare him to ALL-TIME GREATS. Oh yeah -- did I get across the point that this is his FIRST season starting?

Sorry, gents. I've had a handful of beers and my dog just died. I've had a bad day. Anyway -- I hope my point is apparent. Let's stop the immediate analysis and comparison to the greats. Let's let this thing play out a little more before we ask the "big" questions.

Go Rodgers. Go Pack Go.

P.S. For the record, Pack93z, I admire your posts and am thankful you are an active member of this forum.

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For as many good things he has learned from Brett, it seems like he picked up the worst thing he could possible pick up from Favre and that's those boneheaded 4th quarter/OT INT's.