Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

I think this is horseshit. He showed it in the first game against the Vikings. and how many times do you want him to win it for you. Yesterday he did more than enough to get the win... and the special teams and defense let it slide once more. I mean how many times did Brett Favre have 2 game winning drives in 17 years?

Favre's first season. end result 9-7. that mean according to several of you guys logic... Favre alone didnt do enough to win 7 games. something we can still do as well.


I think its all a bunch of spoiled fans grasping at straws to explain an unfortunate, unbalanced, injury filled year.


I love how we give Aaron Rodgers 1 half of a year before saying he just doesn't have "it"... but we're fine with giving Favre a 12th year to prove he wouldn't choke in the playoffs.

"Packnic" wrote:



Packnic.. I agree he is not the reason we lost the game yesterday... but I knew that some couldn't get past the opinion to see it for what it is..

He has had several chances with the ball late in the game to win the game.. but hey, you want to start throwing labels at me.. go right ahead.

I said it in the first post, but apparently that was missed.. Rodgers isn't the reason we lost these games, but he also has shown on the field that in the crunch, he can't effectively get it done either to date.

But I agree, if this team plays to its potential, he shouldn't have to pull the rabbit out of the hat at the end.. that is the "it" factor I question.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

I thought his main error yesterday in the final 1:30 was trying to go for the big play too much. With that much time and 2 TO's, you can take what the defense gives you for a while and work your way down the field. Easier said than done obviously. The over-aggressiveness sort of reminded me of another QB we used to have 'round these parts.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



Exactly.. he reminded me of Brett yesterday in that situation.. pushing to hard to make the "big" play instead of just making plays and marching it down the field.. he had enough time to drive it, it would have been difficult but just the same possible.. he tried to end it with one throw ala Brett and made the sealing error. IMO.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
packfaninbucland
16 years ago
I think there's some validity to whether Rodgers has the "it" factor. While true that he's brought the Pack back on long drives late in the game, has he done it in the last 2 minutes? I think that part of the game will evolve later this year and next year for him, though.

The two areas of the game that are killing us are Defense and Special Teams. This is what McCarthy eluded to when the decision was made to trade Brett. They wanted the D to be the trademark of the team but have, obviously, fallen way short. Frankly, I was encouraged by that statement as I hate, repeat hate, watching bad defenses. I would much rather see a bad offense than bad defense. Maybe it's because I've been spoiled for so long.

On another note, our old QB wasn't exactly Mr. 2 minutes in the biggest game last year! How many chances did he have, 3? 4? He didn't look too comfortable in the cold yesterday again. I'm not banking on the Jets being the the Super Bowl this year.
blank
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago


On another note, our old QB wasn't exactly Mr. 2 minutes in the biggest game last year! How many chances did he have, 3? 4? He didn't look too comfortable in the cold yesterday again. I'm not banking on the Jets being the the Super Bowl this year.

"packfaninbucland" wrote:



100% agreed.. and we came off probably the best year he ever had in 07...

but back to the point of the thread.. Brett was never mentioned in this thread as a direct comparison.. it shouldn't be done.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
minnypacker
16 years ago
Give AR a full year under his belt before we proclaim he has the it or not. If he throws that pass to Driver with just a little more zip, we would be talking about his it factor.
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

Give Aaron Rodgers a full year under his belt before we proclaim he has the it or not. If he throws that pass to Driver with just a little more zip, we would be talking about his it factor.

"minnypacker" wrote:



Yep.. for those that missed it the first go round.

It is too early to definitively say Rodgers can or can't be that player, the variables are to vast to say it is him or not... but to this point, he hasn't shown that "it" factor at the end of the game.

"Pack93z" wrote:


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Packnic
16 years ago

I think this is horseshit. He showed it in the first game against the Vikings. and how many times do you want him to win it for you. Yesterday he did more than enough to get the win... and the special teams and defense let it slide once more. I mean how many times did Brett Favre have 2 game winning drives in 17 years?

Favre's first season. end result 9-7. that mean according to several of you guys logic... Favre alone didnt do enough to win 7 games. something we can still do as well.


I think its all a bunch of spoiled fans grasping at straws to explain an unfortunate, unbalanced, injury filled year.


I love how we give Aaron Rodgers 1 half of a year before saying he just doesn't have "it"... but we're fine with giving Favre a 12th year to prove he wouldn't choke in the playoffs.

"pack93z" wrote:



Packnic.. I agree he is not the reason we lost the game yesterday... but I knew that some couldn't get past the opinion to see it for what it is..

He has had several chances with the ball late in the game to win the game.. but hey, you want to start throwing labels at me.. go right ahead.

I said it in the first post, but apparently that was missed.. Rodgers isn't the reason we lost these games, but he also has shown on the field that in the crunch, he can't effectively get it done either to date.

But I agree, if this team plays to its potential, he shouldn't have to pull the rabbit out of the hat at the end.. that is the "it" factor I question.

"Packnic" wrote:




then what are you saying. If your saying its too early to tell if he has the IT factor and he hasn't been the reason we lost these games... then whats the point of this thread?

all im saying is he has shown it in some cases and hasnt in others. No one, not even Brett Favre can bring a team back multiple times in a game when his defense decides to be nothing more than a turnstile.
blank
IronMan
16 years ago
Way too early to judge Rodgers' "comeback" abilities.
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago
What I am saying is that we shouldn't expect Rodgers do be able to pull it out at the end.. some QB's have the nack for pulling the rabbit at the end.. some do not.

At this point and time, I don't see Rodgers as the guy that can take the ball with the clocking running on empty and lead this team down the field..

With that said.. as a front office and a team, we need to put ourselves in a position not to have the game come down to that.. period.

You seem to want to compare Brett to Aaron directly, that isn't the point of the thread... the point is after a couple of chances this season.. it appears that Rodgers doesn't have the 2 minute comeback magic..

Nothing more.. most QB's can't... he played a good game yesterday as most times this season..

Should have known better.. can't voice an opinion on Rodgers without drawing fire.. stupid me..

On the half year opinions.. then what in the hell did we just pay him a brinks truckload worth for.. if you can't make an opinion on his play to date?
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

Some QB's have that ability to make it happen when there isn't the next series... Matty Ice in Atlanta is doing it his rookie year, so it isn't all experience..

It is too early to definitively say Rodgers can or can't be that player, the variables are to vast to say it is him or not... but to this point, he hasn't shown that "it" factor at the end of the game.

"pack93z" wrote:



93z, I've said the same things many times.... but thinking back I believe yesterday we saw the emergence of a play maker.

I think yesterday, Rodgers took that step from being a "good" QB in a QB friendly system to showing he has "it".

In no way, shape, or form could anyone say that our Offense looked like it would perform the way it did in the second half after the first half performance.

Aaron Rodgers, the QB, led this team to three scoring drives of 96, 76, and 79 yards.

I really believe that yesterday we witnessed the emergence of a play maker, of someone that did what Favre has done countless times: put his team on his back and march forward to attain victory.

First TD drive of second half (96 yards): Aaron went 7/8 for 100 yards and a TD.

Second TD drive of second half (76 yards): Aaron went 5/6 for 73 yards and a TD.

Third FG drive of second half (79 yards): Aaron went 6/6 for 55 yards and a FG.

In all, Aaron went 18/20 for 228 yards and 2 TDs. That's a hell of an effort.

Even more impressive though, are the plays Aaron made when nothing was there. Take the two runs he had that produced first downs. One went for 10+ yards, where Aaron faked going out of bounds and kept running to pick up the first down.

The other was a third down where Aaron stepped up and had some nice moves for a QB that led him to get a first down.


Sure this team stepped up its play a great deal in the second half, but I really think we say the emergence of a player that read the defences, understood what adjustments to make, where the WRs would be open, and a player who was determined to lead his team to a win.

Sure he couldn't take this team home to victory. But I think that'll come, the main question I had was whether Aaron could answer the call when nothing was seemingly going right for the Packers.

I think he showed yesterday that he could. He has, IMO, proven that he has what it takes to be mentioned in the same breath as those greats that constantly put their teams on their backs.
The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (9h) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (23h) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (23h) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (23h) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
dfosterf (14-Jun) : TWO magnificent strikes for touchdowns. Lose the pennstate semigeezer non nfl backup
dfosterf (14-Jun) : There was minicamp Thursday. My man Taylor Engersma threw
dfosterf (11-Jun) : There will be a mini camp practice Thursday.
Zero2Cool (11-Jun) : He's been sporting a ring for a while now. It's probably Madonna.
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : We only do the tea before whoopee, it relaxes me.
wpr (10-Jun) : That's awesome Martha.
Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : How's the ayahuasca tea he makes, Martha?
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : Turns out he like older women
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : I wasn't supposed to say anything, but yes the word is out and we are happy 😂😂😂
Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : I might be late on this but Aaron Rodgers is now married
Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : Well he can always ask his brother for pointers
Zero2Cool (10-Jun) : Bo Melton taking some reps at CB as well as WR
Zero2Cool (10-Jun) : key transactions coming today at 3pm that will consume more cap in 2025
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15h / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Jun / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15-Jun / Random Babble / Martha Careful

14-Jun / Around The NFL / beast

14-Jun / Community Welcome! / dfosterf

13-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.