Brass Tacts ... Aaron Rodgers.· Page 2

Pack93z
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16 years ago

I think this is horseshit. He showed it in the first game against the Vikings. and how many times do you want him to win it for you. Yesterday he did more than enough to get the win... and the special teams and defense let it slide once more. I mean how many times did Brett Favre have 2 game winning drives in 17 years?

Favre's first season. end result 9-7. that mean according to several of you guys logic... Favre alone didnt do enough to win 7 games. something we can still do as well.

I think its all a bunch of spoiled fans grasping at straws to explain an unfortunate, unbalanced, injury filled year.

I love how we give Aaron Rodgers 1 half of a year before saying he just doesn't have "it"... but we're fine with giving Favre a 12th year to prove he wouldn't choke in the playoffs.

"Packnic" wrote:

Packnic.. I agree he is not the reason we lost the game yesterday... but I knew that some couldn't get past the opinion to see it for what it is..

He has had several chances with the ball late in the game to win the game.. but hey, you want to start throwing labels at me.. go right ahead.

I said it in the first post, but apparently that was missed.. Rodgers isn't the reason we lost these games, but he also has shown on the field that in the crunch, he can't effectively get it done either to date.

But I agree, if this team plays to its potential, he shouldn't have to pull the rabbit out of the hat at the end.. that is the "it" factor I question.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Pack93z
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16 years ago

#12

I thought his main error yesterday in the final 1:30 was trying to go for the big play too much. With that much time and 2 TO's, you can take what the defense gives you for a while and work your way down the field. Easier said than done obviously. The over-aggressiveness sort of reminded me of another QB we used to have 'round these parts.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

Exactly.. he reminded me of Brett yesterday in that situation.. pushing to hard to make the "big" play instead of just making plays and marching it down the field.. he had enough time to drive it, it would have been difficult but just the same possible.. he tried to end it with one throw ala Brett and made the sealing error. IMO.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

packfaninbucland
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16 years ago

#13

I think there's some validity to whether Rodgers has the "it" factor. While true that he's brought the Pack back on long drives late in the game, has he done it in the last 2 minutes? I think that part of the game will evolve later this year and next year for him, though.

The two areas of the game that are killing us are Defense and Special Teams. This is what McCarthy eluded to when the decision was made to trade Brett. They wanted the D to be the trademark of the team but have, obviously, fallen way short. Frankly, I was encouraged by that statement as I hate, repeat hate, watching bad defenses. I would much rather see a bad offense than bad defense. Maybe it's because I've been spoiled for so long.

On another note, our old QB wasn't exactly Mr. 2 minutes in the biggest game last year! How many chances did he have, 3? 4? He didn't look too comfortable in the cold yesterday again. I'm not banking on the Jets being the the Super Bowl this year.

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Pack93z
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16 years ago

#14

On another note, our old QB wasn't exactly Mr. 2 minutes in the biggest game last year! How many chances did he have, 3? 4? He didn't look too comfortable in the cold yesterday again. I'm not banking on the Jets being the the Super Bowl this year.

"packfaninbucland" wrote:

100% agreed.. and we came off probably the best year he ever had in 07...

but back to the point of the thread.. Brett was never mentioned in this thread as a direct comparison.. it shouldn't be done.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

minnypacker
Member

16 years ago

#15

Give AR a full year under his belt before we proclaim he has the it or not. If he throws that pass to Driver with just a little more zip, we would be talking about his it factor.

Pack93z
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16 years ago

#16

Give Aaron Rodgers a full year under his belt before we proclaim he has the it or not. If he throws that pass to Driver with just a little more zip, we would be talking about his it factor.

"minnypacker" wrote:

Yep.. for those that missed it the first go round.

It is too early to definitively say Rodgers can or can't be that player, the variables are to vast to say it is him or not... but to this point, he hasn't shown that "it" factor at the end of the game.

"Pack93z" wrote:

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Packnic
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16 years ago

#17

"pack93z" wrote:

"Packnic" wrote:

then what are you saying. If your saying its too early to tell if he has the IT factor and he hasn't been the reason we lost these games... then whats the point of this thread?

all im saying is he has shown it in some cases and hasnt in others. No one, not even Brett Favre can bring a team back multiple times in a game when his defense decides to be nothing more than a turnstile.

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IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#18

Way too early to judge Rodgers' "comeback" abilities.

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

#19

What I am saying is that we shouldn't expect Rodgers do be able to pull it out at the end.. some QB's have the nack for pulling the rabbit at the end.. some do not.

At this point and time, I don't see Rodgers as the guy that can take the ball with the clocking running on empty and lead this team down the field..

With that said.. as a front office and a team, we need to put ourselves in a position not to have the game come down to that.. period.

You seem to want to compare Brett to Aaron directly, that isn't the point of the thread... the point is after a couple of chances this season.. it appears that Rodgers doesn't have the 2 minute comeback magic..

Nothing more.. most QB's can't... he played a good game yesterday as most times this season..

Should have known better.. can't voice an opinion on Rodgers without drawing fire.. stupid me..

On the half year opinions.. then what in the hell did we just pay him a brinks truckload worth for.. if you can't make an opinion on his play to date?

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

16 years ago

#20

Some QB's have that ability to make it happen when there isn't the next series... Matty Ice in Atlanta is doing it his rookie year, so it isn't all experience..

It is too early to definitively say Rodgers can or can't be that player, the variables are to vast to say it is him or not... but to this point, he hasn't shown that "it" factor at the end of the game.

"pack93z" wrote:

93z, I've said the same things many times.... but thinking back I believe yesterday we saw the emergence of a play maker.

I think yesterday, Rodgers took that step from being a "good" QB in a QB friendly system to showing he has "it".

In no way, shape, or form could anyone say that our Offense looked like it would perform the way it did in the second half after the first half performance.

Aaron Rodgers, the QB, led this team to three scoring drives of 96, 76, and 79 yards.

I really believe that yesterday we witnessed the emergence of a play maker, of someone that did what Favre has done countless times: put his team on his back and march forward to attain victory.

First TD drive of second half (96 yards): Aaron went 7/8 for 100 yards and a TD.

Second TD drive of second half (76 yards): Aaron went 5/6 for 73 yards and a TD.

Third FG drive of second half (79 yards): Aaron went 6/6 for 55 yards and a FG.

In all, Aaron went 18/20 for 228 yards and 2 TDs. That's a hell of an effort.

Even more impressive though, are the plays Aaron made when nothing was there. Take the two runs he had that produced first downs. One went for 10+ yards, where Aaron faked going out of bounds and kept running to pick up the first down.

The other was a third down where Aaron stepped up and had some nice moves for a QB that led him to get a first down.

Sure this team stepped up its play a great deal in the second half, but I really think we say the emergence of a player that read the defences, understood what adjustments to make, where the WRs would be open, and a player who was determined to lead his team to a win.

Sure he couldn't take this team home to victory. But I think that'll come, the main question I had was whether Aaron could answer the call when nothing was seemingly going right for the Packers.

I think he showed yesterday that he could. He has, IMO, proven that he has what it takes to be mentioned in the same breath as those greats that constantly put their teams on their backs.

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