[2011] Green Bay Packers at New York Giants

Zero2Cool
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Isn't winning and losing in the NFL 95% determined by the amount of talent a team has, and how well they are coached? Since the Packers have the most talent and one of the top coaching staffs - shouldn't we be winning every game? In fact, a loss should be almost unacceptable. I say almost because we do play the Bears twice a year, who definitley make up the other 5%.

Nobody, and I mean nobody phones in games like the shmucks in the NBA.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I'm not sure if talent and coaching is 95% because the Eagles have a lot of talent and good coaching (minus the defensive coordinator in my opinion) and they can't win much. I believe having a good plan of attack, ability to adapt properly and solid execution trumps both talent and coaching.

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#42

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Not to nitpick, but a good plan of attack and ability to adapt properly are two aspects of coaching. 🇲🇲 has both. I don't know how many times I gave props to 🇲🇲 for making the necessary half-time adjustments.

A good plan of attack is something Belichick always had.

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Dexter_Sinister
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#43

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

A couple things that get overlooked with the Eagles struggles and the Packers success is Continuity and Chemistry.

The WRs of the Packers have been together for quite a while. Cobb is the only new one and the rest have been here for years.

Continuity includes the depth, because when the Packers lose a guy, they have guys who are coached up and ready to step right in.

The Eagles threw a bunch of talented individuals together and expected chemistry to develop. Sorry, don't happen that way.

On D, it takes repetition to get the point where you know on an instinctual level how the guy next to you is going to react to any given situation. It takes communication on a subliminal level. When you have guys that are both learning a system and the guys they are playing with, they won't play well together.

The Packers succeed because they have continuity and chemistry. The Eagles fail because of its lack.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Yerko
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13 years ago

#44

Giants are a team with a low morale. If a team jumps on them early, its all down hill for them and that could be contributed to bad coaching, bad leadership, and bad team chemistry. Packers offense is going to dominate the Giants defense...period. They just do not have an answer for the weapons this Packers offense has.

Giants offense will score on the Packers, but not near as much as the Packers will score on the Giants.

Packers get two key turnovers on defense when Eli tries to do too much.
Rodgers throws for 4 touchdowns, maybe 5 if he feels like it.

Packers- 42
Giants- 28

Dulak
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13 years ago

#45

I don't know when you were checking, but there are usually members in the chat room two hours before the game and often most of the day after the game.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

So is there usually a feed now? I know this was my favorite thing about PH the live feed and chat ...

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13 years ago

#46

Why don't you take a gander at the navbar on top of the page and see for yourself?

Zero2Cool
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#47

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

That is true, the coaches procure the plan of attack and adapting. I was more so talking about the players on the field doing both of them though.

A player has to have a plan to attack the player across from him, that's what I was referring to.
A player has to be able to adapt if he's expecting a post route and it's a curl instead.

However, those could fall easily into coaching and/or talent.

Zero2Cool
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#48

Ugh, Mike McCarthy reduces practices times to save on 'wear and tear'. Great, now the Packers are going to sloppy and undisciplined and we'll see a lot more yellow booger rags on the field.

Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.

Vince Lombardi wrote:

Yerko
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13 years ago

#49

Even with Hawk, Bishop, and Sitton out...I still have faith in this Packers team and the back-ups to get the job done.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

DoddPower
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13 years ago

#50

If the Giants aren't able to exploit our 3rd and 4th MLB's than they have some serious issues. I think Bradshaw is coming back this week. Either way, I foresee a pretty rough game defensively. Smith looks like a potential future starter, but definitely not sold on Francois. I would feel much more confident if Hawk or Bishop was able to start. I think Smith could do a more than adequate job filling in for the other.

I imagine this will be another game that will largely need to be won by our offense and maybe a key turnover or two on defense. Outside of that, the Giants should move the ball fairly easily. I expect several defensive "miscommunications" if Smith is calling plays, simply due to his lack of experience.

I could see a loss here, or I could also see a win. I'm not sure. I think if we could somehow get a couple of scores up on them early, we will win. It should be interesting, for sure.

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#51

Giants have the 27th ranked D when it comes to points. We're gonna light them up. It's a given. Kind of like how I knew we'd slaughter the Vikings in Lambeau.

As for the Giants' O, their rushing attack is completely limp (not that I ever feared a rushing attack anyways). Little brother Eli is actually having a pretty good year though. But if you look game to game, look at who he lights up - the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Dolphins, and yes, he had a good statistical game against the Saints but that's because they were getting blown out and the D was probably playing soft.

So he's getting most of his stats against bad teams. Whooptie-do.

On the other hand, 🇦🇷 lights up everyone. They could have the best D ever and 🇦🇷 will still light them up. How is the 27th ranked D gonna stop 🇦🇷? Answer - they won't.

I stand by my prediction. Some of you are chicken littles. Geez people. You're listening to Vikesrule instead of Zombieslayer? We all know what he knows about football.

We're gonna blow them out.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Zero2Cool
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#52

Some of you are chicken littles. Geez people. You're listening to Vikesrule instead of Zombieslayer? We all know what he knows about football.

We're gonna blow them out.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

I feel this is a little harsh saying anyone is going with vikesrule over anyone. The dude ALWAYS sides on the pessimistic side and in this instance, if he's saying the score is going to be closer than the spread, that's more so being realistic. However, I suppose that is subject to perspective.

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On the other hand, 🇦🇷 lights up everyone. They could have the best D ever and 🇦🇷 will still light them up. How is the 27th ranked D gonna stop 🇦🇷? Answer - they won't.

I stand by my prediction. Some of you are chicken littles. Geez people. You're listening to Vikesrule instead of Zombieslayer? We all know what he knows about football.

We're gonna blow them out.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

I know that all you Packers fans love Aaron Rodgers, but it might be a tad much, what with zombieslayer giving him head all the time.

Giants 27
Packers 24

Packers finish the season 13-3

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I know that all you Packers fans love Aaron Rodgers, but it might be a tad much, what with zombieslayer giving him head all the time.

Giants 27
Packers 24

Packers finish the season 13-3

Originally Posted by: vikesrule

Little head envy.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

zombieslayer
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#55

Whoa. Let's not get carried away here.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. That broken clock (Vikesrule) was right in '09 and notice that I didn't do what our beloved Pack93z did. I knew the Packers would get swept by the Vikings in '09 and I knew the Vikings would win the division. Did you see me bet on my beloved Packers that year? Hell no. I refrained. I'm a historian, not a gambler folks.

But despite having the best team in the NFL, they're the Vikings. They'd find a way to choke. So in the Championship Game, AP fumbles 3 times and Brett throws 2 picks, including one in OT.

Fast forward one year. I knew we'd sweep them in '10 and I knew we'd not only sweep them in '11 (this year), I knew we'd blow them out. Thus I gave VR 21 pts.

I also know we're gonna blow out the Giants tomorrow.

So after we blow out the Giants tomorrow, feel free to ask me what else I know. You all know I how much I love to talk endlessly.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

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So after we blow out the Giants tomorrow, feel free to ask me what else I know. You all know I how much I love to talk endlessly.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

I can't wait till tomorrow! What else do you know?!

NorCal Packer Backer.

nerdmann
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13 years ago

#57

Looks like I'm gonna miss pregame. That's a huge jinx. So you guys gotta take up my slack. Listen extra hard for me! Record it for me and I'll listen after the game or something. Thanks!

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

buckeyepackfan
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13 years ago

#58

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

Zombie,
I called for a close game Packers 28-27, then I looked at my card(for amusement only) o:)
and I realized I took The Packers and am giving 7pts.

So I do hope you are correct, or at the least we meet in the middle and The Pack wins by 8.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Zero2Cool
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#59

Z,
I called for a close game Packers 28-27, then I looked at my card(for entertainment only) o:)
and I realized I took The Packers and am giving 7pts.

So I do hope you are correct, or at the least we meet in the middle and The Pack wins by 8.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

huh??? You quote zombieslayer, but say Z? Quit trying to confuse me with your laziness!

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I can't wait till tomorrow! What else do you know?!

Originally Posted by: eap33

The Packers win the SB this year. The Championship Game is closer than the Super Bowl.

I'm not sure about our last 2 regular season games though. We may lose one of them as we're gonna be more concerned with going into the Playoffs healthy than winning either of them (we'll have home field advantage locked up by then).

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

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