dfosterf
13 years ago
I think you got me on the Donovan McNabb thing.
I DID get the part about him being the next Viking QB correct, (beating out approx. 7500 [THEN] PPO members in the process--compared to the 75 [NOW] lol lol lol) way back when, but I readily admit that I not only didn't think he'd suck, I rode you like a pony for your opinion that he would.
You were right. I was wrong.
Score:
Me 100
You 1
...or there-abouts, at least in my liitle mind and world, lol
Seriously, good call, so far-
Dave
If the rest of you doubt that these conversations occurred, just remember, many have repeatedly bitched at both of us for "going too soon". or "worrying about shit that will not materialize", etc. I assure you, we argued about this a LONG TIME AGO.
Formo
13 years ago
I'll post here what I just recently posted on PPO.

I guess, according to y’all, my whole career I’ve been inaccurate. It’s just making the play when the play needs to be made.

Donovan McNabb wrote:



Really McNabb? Really? Yeah sure, you make the play when it was needed to be made 3+ years ago. No one here is saying you have bene inaccurate your whole career.. Hell, no one here in MINNESOTA has watched you enough to even make that judgement. What we DO see, Donovan, is an aging QB who looks STRIKINGLY familiar to a former project QB who's getting savaged in Seattle right now. And you are supposed to be a Pro Bowler.

I was initially OK with McNabb joining the team, just like with Favre, as long as he performed. Hell, I even gave him less of a standard to play by than I did Favre. He's underwhelmed me with his performance so far. He'll have to turn his game around big time before I call this move a bust.
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dfosterf
13 years ago
I don't even blame him. I know everyone else does, especially over at PPO.
Like I told Marr, his line got awful in Philly, so did he. The line was awful in D.C., so was he, and the line is awful in Minnesota, so he is too. Some QB's can overcome that. They are rare. Rodgers has spent a lot of time on his back learning how to play behind a shit-box-line. Our o-line is the best in the division, right now, with both starting offensive tackles out. Is it a good line?
FUCK NO
It's just the best one in the division.
McNabb doesn't SEEM like the kind of guy that needs a good line, but circumstances have shown of late that he IS. It might be the repeated stompings he took late in his tenure with Philly. The man had NO CHANCE with a shaky line that then suffered injuries.
He has absolutely proven he has the ability to play at an elite level. You can't deny that, look at his winning percentages.
He USED TO BE ABLE to play behind shit-box lines, but NO LONGER CAN.
It is the NFL equivalent of "shell-shock" or PTSD, for him, imo
That is my ultimate assessment of Donovan for 2011, so far.
Formo
13 years ago

I don't even blame him. I know everyone else does, especially over at PPO.
Like I told Marr, his line got awful in Philly, so did he. The line was awful in D.C., so was he, and the line is awful in Minnesota, so he is too. Some QB's can overcome that. They are rare. Rodgers has spent a lot of time on his back learning how to play behind a shit-box-line. Our o-line is the best in the division, right now, with both starting offensive tackles out. Is it a good line?
FUCK NO
It's just the best one in the division.
McNabb doesn't SEEM like the kind of guy that needs a good line, but circumstances have shown of late that he IS. It might be the repeated stompings he took late in his tenure with Philly. The man had NO CHANCE with a shaky line that then suffered injuries.
He has absolutely proven he has the ability to play at an elite level. You can't deny that, look at his winning percentages.
He USED TO BE ABLE to play behind shit-box lines, but NO LONGER CAN.
It is the NFL equivalent of "shell-shock" or PTSD, for him, imo
That is my ultimate assessment of Donovan for 2011, so far.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



I personally think he's just more washed up then initially thought. It's bad enough he two-hops passes to wide open receivers (and somehow PPO blames Berrian for this), but when asked, and asked AGAIN on his mechanics and accuracy, he spouts off like he's on target even 80% of the time.. That was the final straw for me.

I'm not rooting for his failure, quite the opposite. But I will be rooting for Ponder (please dear God not Webb) until either A)Ponder comes in at QB, or B)McNabb ups his game in a big way.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Scary thought Foster brought up. Yes, our OL is the best in the division. It's not good, it's just the rest of the division's OLs are worse. Yikes!

McNabb is a bust. I predicted him to be good for 8-9 games then get injured because the MN OL is horrible. I was wrong.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I personally think he's just more washed up then initially thought. It's bad enough he two-hops passes to wide open receivers (and somehow PPO blames Berrian for this), but when asked, and asked AGAIN on his mechanics and accuracy, he spouts off like he's on target even 80% of the time.. That was the final straw for me.

I'm not rooting for his failure, quite the opposite. But I will be rooting for Ponder (please dear God not Webb) until either A)Ponder comes in at QB, or B)McNabb ups his game in a big way.

Originally Posted by: Formo 


The problem with Ponder will be that he had the best line in college football.

He was pretty good in college. But he had as much time as Brady in the pocket. If he is getting hit before he can plant on a 3 step drop, he may be a worse option than Webb. Who is a pretty good runner.
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Formo
13 years ago

The problem with Ponder will be that he had the best line in college football.

He was pretty good in college. But he had as much time as Brady in the pocket. If he is getting hit before he can plant on a 3 step drop, he may be a worse option than Webb. Who is a pretty good runner.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



He's pretty elusive. I was surprised at how elusive he was during the preseason. And he's more accurate than McNabb. It's an opinion, but I believe that the Vikings have a winning record right now if Ponder started the season at QB.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

He's pretty elusive. I was surprised at how elusive he was during the preseason. And he's more accurate than McNabb. It's an opinion, but I believe that the Vikings have a winning record right now if Ponder started the season at QB.

Originally Posted by: Formo 


He was pretty elusive in college. When the line was solid enough that only 1 guy would break through if they were lucky. If the entire pocket collapses, it might be a different story.

He is a lot more accurate than McNabb though.

It is hard to tell from pre season or the time he got in against the Bears. In both cases he was playing against fairly vanilla Ds.

Preseason is when nobody wants to tip their hand. Last night, the Bears has such a lead that they were basically playing prevent. Any QB will put up yards against a prevent.

My opinion is that Ponder would be dinged up by now if he had started the season.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Formo
13 years ago

He was pretty elusive in college. When the line was solid enough that only 1 guy would break through if they were lucky. If the entire pocket collapses, it might be a different story.

He is a lot more accurate than McNabb though.

It is hard to tell from pre season or the time he got in against the Bears. In both cases he was playing against fairly vanilla Ds.

Preseason is when nobody wants to tip their hand. Last night, the Bears has such a lead that they were basically playing prevent. Any QB will put up yards against a prevent.

My opinion is that Ponder would be dinged up by now if he had started the season.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Vanilla defenses or not.. When his line collapsed on him in the preseason, he still found ways to avoid pressure and fire downfield.

I'm aware that you can't judge a player solely by their performances in preseason. But outside of the Bearce game, that is the only information we have on him playing against an NFL defense.

My opinion is that pretty much every QB in the league would be dinged up by now. Especially behind that OLine.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Vanilla defenses or not.. When his line collapsed on him in the preseason, he still found ways to avoid pressure and fire downfield.

I'm aware that you can't judge a player solely by their performances in preseason. But outside of the Bearce game, that is the only information we have on him playing against an NFL defense.

My opinion is that pretty much every QB in the league would be dinged up by now. Especially behind that OLine.

Originally Posted by: Formo 


I'd rather Webb got dinged up than the future. Until that line has a reasonable chance to protect him.

If I were a Viking fan.

But yeah, put in Ponder.

Good idea.👍
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