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zombieslayer
13 years ago
OK, here's my counter Pack. Take every single one of those names, and check their pick 6 count. I bet none of them match Deion's.

I know you're against style points, but I happen to like them. I'll forever have that image in my head of Deion high stepping into the end zone as he's done quite a few times with a pick 6.

QBs were scared of throwing in his direction because there's nothing a QB hates more than a pick 6. It's the ultimate slap in the face.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Whether he high stepped, flashy run or walked in ... he gave the team points while playing defense. The returns can not be eliminated from discussion. The flash, sure, returns, no because giving your team 6 points is a huge positive.
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Pack93z
13 years ago

OK, here's my counter Pack. Take every single one of those names, and check their pick 6 count. I bet none of them match Deion's.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I'll bite..

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Allen and Williams are right there with him..

My point is this.. he cemented his status in the Hall with flash, hype and punt returns. Otherwise.. he is here with a couple other corners that are on the outside looking in at the hall.


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Pack93z
13 years ago
It would be really fun to include tackles in that conversation but I am struggling to find accurate tackle stats from that far back.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

It would be really fun to include tackles in that conversation but I am struggling to find accurate tackle stats from that far back.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




Don't waist your time. Tiny nuts Sanders never tackled anybody. The blood and guts players prior to the 70's are rolling in their fricken graves.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Unrelated as I am looking for comp% upon a CB stats...

2009 corner stats - QB Rating. Woodson right there..


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cwxCLPpeiPY/S2IUy_t1qiI/AAAAAAAAACA/gGFkvdbDpUg/s1600-h/CB_Rating.jpg 
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Another unrelated post.. but interesting just the same.. look how well Shields ranked last season.

Impressive.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/20/cornerbacks-cover-snaps-count/ 


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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
This thread is a perfect illustration of the problem with the draconian new "no content from other sites" rule. There is really no point for this thread, because to see what point you are trying to make, we have to follow every link you post. We might as well just include a list of URLs in the first post and leave it at that; conversation over.

There isn't a blog in the world that doesn't include salient quotes from other authors; heck, there are entire sites whose sole function is to aggregate information from other websites. Quoting other authors is entirely permissible under copyright law and any threats to the contrary are nothing more than hot air. I am not saying we need to include entire articles, but paragraphs or sentences to clarify points and streamline the conversation would be nice (see my quotes in the gay marriage thread for an example).

Obviously, this is Kevin's site and he can run it how he will, but it's gotten so inconvenient to partake in conversations, what with having to hop all over the interwebz to figure out what people's points are, that I am just sort of . . . not anymore.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Stitched together what I could find..

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zombieslayer
13 years ago

I'll bite..

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Allen and Williams are right there with him..

My point is this.. he cemented his status in the Hall with flash, hype and punt returns. Otherwise.. he is here with a couple other corners that are on the outside looking in at the hall.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Thank you Pack. This is what I'm looking for.

Now we see Eric Allen had very similar numbers to Deion. Similar INTs, same number of pick 6's, and both had 1 fumble return TD in their career. Allen had more tackles. Sanders had 6 All Pro seasons though compared to Allen's 1. Was Allen as dominating? To be honest, I don't know. I didn't follow Allen's career like I followed Sanders'.

As for Williams, he was a semi-finalist last year and I'm betting he makes it within the next 5 years, so he doesn't count (we're talking about Sanders compared to non-HoF players).
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