Silentio
13 years ago

I am part of the minority of fans who have no problem with the rule. Hold onto the damn ball and quit bitching already. The rule is designed to avoid getting into a gray area with players who lose possession of the ball as they go down in the end zone, and it's also designed to avoid what the league considers to be "cheap" fumbles on other parts of the field. There is still a gray area with this rule, but I think it's a smaller gray area and it has helped eliminate cheap fumbles. That's why I'm okay with it.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



I am not okay with it, though I haven’t considered the “cheap fumbles” aspect of the rule, which makes sense.

My problem with saying “hold onto the damn ball” is that this rule doesn’t seem to jive with other rules dictating touchdowns. I made this point in gameday chat and people seemed to like it, so I’ll post it here too:

Say the Packers are on the 4 yard line, ready to score, and on second down McCarthy calls pass play. Rodgers runs a boot leg to the right but no one is is open. Rodgers streaks toward the pylon and crosses the plane. Would he even need to touch the endzone with his foot as long as the ball crosses the plane? I don’t think he would. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he could literally step from the regular field of play, across the plane, and out of bounds and it would be ruled a TD. Am I wrong? Keep in mind, Finley caught the ball, got both feet down, and landed on his knee, hip, ass, and forearms and it was ruled an incompletion.

Another scenario puts the Packers on the 1 yard line. Full back dive to Kuhn. The defense plugs the hole well, but Kuhn is a fucking beast and gets the entire ball over the plane, immediately dropping it. Dumbass Vikings players pick up the ball thinking it’s a fumble, but they’re sad to see that the refs have signaled touch down. The crowd was already yelling Kuhn before the play started. No part of his body touches the endzone, but the ball broke the plane and even though he dropped it it’s still a TD.

Remember the Raji interception and TD last season? Similar situation.

Obviously these are running situations, but it just seems inconsistent. When a runner scores a TD the ball only needs to be possessed across the plane for a fraction of a second, no part of the possessing player’s body even needs to be across the plane. But when Finley (or whoever) catches a ball in the endzone he must maintain possession for several seconds while fighting off a defender and falling to the ground? I dunno, maybe this whole post just proves the point that the receiving is completely different than running and the rule should stand. Maybe the passing game in the NFL doesn’t need any more support than it already has. But it *feels* totally wrong to me because of the inconsistency compared to other touch downs I’ve described above.
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beast
13 years ago

Remember the Raji interception and TD last season? Similar situation.

Originally Posted by: Silentio 



Yup, that was a fumble before the end zone (Refs called touch down) he's lucky his teams mates picked it up before it rolled out of the end or a Bears players picked it up or it would of been Bears ball if they reviewed the play. If I remember correctly Jenkins and Collins keep going to it to make sure it didn't roll out (smart play by them) and I think Jenkins picked it up.

But the rule is simple... have possession of the ball in the other teams end zone and it's a touchdown. Yeah a receiver must prove they have possession... but that's true all over the field because while it's in the air it's under no one's possession. I don't see the big deal... be in the endzone and prove you have possession (like you always do as a receiver catching the ball) and everything will be all good.

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Since69
13 years ago

I am not okay with it, though I haven’t considered the “cheap fumbles” aspect of the rule, which makes sense.

My problem with saying “hold onto the damn ball” is that this rule doesn’t seem to jive with other rules dictating touchdowns. I made this point in gameday chat and people seemed to like it, so I’ll post it here too:

Say the Packers are on the 4 yard line, ready to score, and on second down McCarthy calls pass play. Rodgers runs a boot leg to the right but no one is is open. Rodgers streaks toward the pylon and crosses the plane. Would he even need to touch the endzone with his foot as long as the ball crosses the plane? I don’t think he would. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he could literally step from the regular field of play, across the plane, and out of bounds and it would be ruled a TD. Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by: Silentio 



No, you're not. A player can be flying out of bounds at the 2 yard line, but if he extends his arm and waves the ball over the pylon it's a touchdown. So long as the ball "breaks the plane" while the carrier clearly has possession. The issue is how the league defines "possession", and in my opinion it goes a little too far. Hernandez and Finley on Sunday, and Megatron last year - those should all have been touchdowns. If you're holding the ball when your knee/elbow/head/both feet/ass touch the ground, it should count.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Dude, you just agreed with him while telling him he's wrong. =d>
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olds70supreme
13 years ago

I think Greg Jennings had a play that was taken away because of this rule too ... last year? Although I think most of us agreed it was not a catch.



I'm pretty sure this was during a Bears game at Soldier Field - I thought it was a catch because he had two feet down in the endzone with possession. His momentum carried him out the back of the endzone where a Bears player hit the ball out. My understanding was that the play was over when he had possession with two feet down, but the refs disagreed. [puke]
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Here's another link  regarding this same rule.

I haven't watched it, at work right now.
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beast
13 years ago

No, you're not. A player can be flying out of bounds at the 2 yard line, but if he extends his arm and waves the ball over the pylon it's a touchdown. So long as the ball "breaks the plane" while the carrier clearly has possession. The issue is how the league defines "possession", and in my opinion it goes a little too far. Hernandez and Finley on Sunday, and Megatron last year - those should all have been touchdowns. If you're holding the ball when your knee/elbow/head/both feet/ass touch the ground, it should count.

Originally Posted by: Since69 




I disagree. The receiver has to prove "possession" when he's going to the ground all over the field, by holding onto the ball until they stop falling. Why should the end zone be in different?

It shouldn't be, they're making lots of rules which help the offense they shouldn't make more. If anything all these points about how it's unfair/unbalance the rules are should be arguing to make it harder to run it in for a touch down. Saying put of their core body also had to be in the end zone as well as the ball. Because I've seen runners like Mike Vick wave his arm over the line while fumbling it and it's counted as a TD.
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Silentio
13 years ago

It shouldn't be, they're making lots of rules which help the offense they shouldn't make more.

Originally Posted by: beast 



This is something I can agree with. The NFL passing game doesn’t need more help. I still think the possession rule, when it comes to TDs appears inconsistent compared to possession for other TDs. It may not actually be inconsistent but I don’t think you can argue it doesn’t seem that way. This might sound stupid, but if I was playing football in the park Finley’s catch would be a TD. I think that’s how most people watch football.
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Yerko
13 years ago
I don't have a problem with the rule so much as I have a problem with the inconsistency around the league on the rule. That pretty much goes for any of the rules. Inconsistency with these reffing crews is just terrible.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

I don't have a problem with the rule so much as I have a problem with the inconsistency around the league on the rule. That pretty much goes for any of the rules. Inconsistency with these reffing crews is just terrible.

Originally Posted by: G-Force 


Have you seen plays where they've awarded a catch when the ball popped out out of the player's hands when he hit the ground? I can't recall seeing any, myself.
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