FIRE SLOCUM NOW!!!!!· Page 3

Stevetarded
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13 years ago

It was not an issue of scheme. Watch as one of our players runs wide into another lane, and then upon realizing it, slips and falls to ground trying to recover. I am sure that Slocum did not design his return team to leave a 10 yard gap in the middle of the return. There was one good block on the other side of that gap, but when you see two coverage men right next to each other that means someone screwed up. I am not going into defending Slocum overall, though I like what he has done with Masthay. But come on, that TD was not because of scheme.

Originally Posted by: Tezzy

When there is an individual instance of players messing up then yeah it's probably not the scheme or coaching but when your coverage units are absolutely terrible for 3 straight seasons it gets hard to just blame it on individuals. That is all the coaches responsibility.

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Tezzy
Senior Member

13 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded

It was merely a comment to an individual instance where it was said it was a scheme issue for that given play. Nothing more.

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all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

13 years ago

#23

But come on, that TD was not because of scheme.

Originally Posted by: Tezzy

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that it was result of scheme. But if you see the replay, that TD return does not happen unless Jordy Nelson is down field making his terrific block. If he whiffs, Cobb is gonna be hard pressed to score.

One of the jobs of a ST coach is to put his players in positions where they can make plays. Outside of Cobb being the KR, Slocum does have to figure out who exactly to place in what position so that he can give his unit the best chance to make a play.

Players mess up too, sometimes. That should not reflect only on the coach. Yes, Slocum does deserve criticism, but let's realize Sproles if a friggin hell of a returner, and that players who should have taken better angles (I think it was Kuhn who slipped when he tried to come back into the lane his running too far down field had created) also failed.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#24

That TD also doesn't happen if Kuhn doesn't essentially grab Cobb and push him out of his stumble. He looked like he was yelling at him to keep going. It was awesome.

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

13 years ago

#25

I vote for getting rid of Slocum also. Too bad for too long; even with giving him starters to use.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#26

That TD also doesn't happen if Kuhn doesn't essentially grab Cobb and push him out of his stumble. He looked like he was yelling at him to keep going. It was awesome.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I've watched the play many times, and Kuhn's assistance was not necessary nor balance dependent for Randall Cobb.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#27

I know you're being sarcastic here...but you're actually correct. How would Slocum have anything to do with the innate natural talent of Cobb? Don't be arbitrarily diplomatic, son.

Originally Posted by: TwinkieGorilla

I think in totality the blocking scheme of the return comes into play here, placing Cobb into the position to return the kickoff in the first place...

Don't be a condescending rube via the use of "son". [grin1]

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beast
Select Member

13 years ago

#28

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I've watched the play many times, and Kuhn's assistance was not necessary nor balance dependent for Randall Cobb.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I agree with that... and the Kuhn part might of even slowed him down a bit because he had to figure out what was going on... and Kuhn grabbed him. It was very cool to see but Cobb landed in a 3 point stances.

With out going back and looking at it to be sure Kuhn grabbing him might of helped in another way though. Kuhn grabbed him and he stumbled to in front of Kuhn.. and when they got started back up... Kuhn and a defender behind Cobb tangled legs and I think both fell... If Cobb just run straight and Kuhn didn't see the defender from behind the defender might of caught Cobb instead of his and Kuhn legs getting tangled and both guys falling... again that's with out rewatching it so i'm not sure that correct, just a maybe thing.

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

13 years ago

#29

I just got finished watching the play. Kuhn din not help Cobb get his balance. Kuhn made the move to help him but by that time Cobb was already catching his balance and Kuhn's arm never touched/helped Cobb. Cobb did it on his own.

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DakotaT
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13 years ago

#30

Don't be a condescending rube via the use of "son". [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

Some of us might be able to call Zero, son. But if he were my son, I would have wipped the smug right out of him long ago.

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