Did the 2011 Week 1 Packers Defense Suck?· Page 4

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#31

It depends.

Randy Moss and Charles Woodson are Hall of Fame players. So is Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

Not according to the NFL Hall of Fame they are not. Don't believe me? Here's the SOURCE I know you'll soon ask for. :)

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#32

Not according to the NFL Hall of Fame they are not. Don't believe me? Here's the SOURCE I know you'll soon ask for. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

All right amigo. You caught me making a grammar mistake.

"Are" should be "will be." And yes, you are correct. Announcers should be saying "will be" and not "are." I shouldn't have made the same mistake.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#33

I don't think the Packers defense sucked as much as they were playing against one of the best defenses in the NFL. I bet if this game is played in the post season, Saints don't score more than 24.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

That there sir is my beef. Crowning someone before it was officially earned. Of those you mentioned, Randy Moss fits best. The others could have horrible seasons the next four years and it would turn off a lot of voters.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#34

I don't see a problem with being blunt about it. The Packers' defense sucked. So did the Saints' defense. One of the things I lamented about the lockout was that it virtually guaranteed 4-6 weeks of defensive suckage this season. It doesn't surprise me at all that the offenses marched virtually unimpeded up and down the field -- it was to be expected. It would not be shocking if the average score of September and early October games this season is higher than that of games later in the season.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#35

The Packers tackling sucked, the defense did not suck. There happens to be an offense on the field as well and they deserve credit. Dismissing the Saints offense is a foolish mistake. They are a very good offense, one of the BEST in the NFL.

I mean foolish in a cute positive way, like a silly foolish kitty cat.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#36

To me, poor tackling equates to defensive suckage. So does playing so soft that there is at least one receiver wide open in the flat on almost every play.

What can I say? I am a sucker for good tackling, by which I do NOT mean "bone-jarring hits."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

I'd rather see 10 text book tackles than one jar boning hit. See what I did there? I am serious, 10 > 1.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#38

I don't see a problem with being blunt about it.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

There is nothing wrong with being blunt.. but put some teeth to it. Look for the reason.. explain out the issue and the cause. Or at least your opinion of it.

There is nothing wrong with criticism.. nothing at all.

Putting the issue in context, taking into account the action of the opposition and providing some discussion points and specifics can't be considered unfair either.

IMO.. there is a difference to playing poorly to getting beat by the opposition. I don't think the Packers defense overall played exceptional.. but I also believe the opposition and their direct actions via scheme and execution played more into the results than poor play.

This is probably more a pet peeve on my part than anything... seems to be the easy way to go. Throw on a quick and dirty label.. "they sucked".

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#39

But I have expressed my objections to the defense. The tackling was abysmal and they played way off the receivers, leaving the flat wide open on almost every play. In my opinion, that is a recipe for poor defensive play. They won in the end, which is the important thing; I am just concerned about a possible trend. You don't want to always have to score tons of points to win games. As I said before, though, I expected most defenses to perform poorly the first month or so. They will probably get it cleaned up, particularly if they can get Mike Neal back healthy.

Greg C.
Registered

13 years ago

#40

2) Ds for the first 3 or 4 weeks this year will be ugly because of the contract disputes. It's easier to run an O than a D.

We might see a lot of high scoring games in the NFL for the first month. If you're not scoring 110 points in fantasy, you're gonna lose. That's just how it will be for the first month. It will be ugly, and it won't be just us. It will be everyone.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

That's funny, this is the exact opposite of what I've been hearing everywhere else. When there is a lack of preparation time, the defenses are supposed to be ahead of the offenses. That's what "they" say, anyway.

Personally, I think it's all just so much overanalysis, and the game will be played pretty much the same as it always has. Did anybody notice a difference in the style of play during the preseason? I sure didn't.

Is it really that surprising that the teams with arguably the two best offenses in the league played a high scoring game?

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