Packers make split decision· Page 3

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

Why, they didn't pay any dues to get to the promised land? Your analogy sucks. These are special men, even the ones that turn into the TO's. They should be paid very well just to get there, hell the college players should be paid too for as much revenue as they bring in.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Listen. I don't care if you like my opinion or not. It is mine. I earn my paycheck everyday as do hundreds of millions of other people. They are no more special than we are.

You want to be paid a few million dollars a year. Fine go earn it. It is up to the team to decide if the incentive it a difficult one or simply putting on their jock and walking onto the field/court.

Go play with your bees. They don't milk themselves.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

You're special too, but I doubt you get any perks other than rides from the former Walmart greeter on the short yellow bus to an from work.

Wait, wait, what is a to? How do you turn into a to? Oh, you mean time out? or wait ... turn over?

You should earn your keep, that's just how it should be. College players should get paid, obviously, but not more than veterans, that's absurd. I'm astonished the NFL let that insanity continue for as long as it did. It set a poor precedent to kids.

I still think Ryan Grant gets 60-70 percent of the carries, unless James Starks proves to be more effective by a good margin.

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#23

Have no idea how we went off topic.

I am predicting though that Grant gets 70+% of the carries this year. Note, I said "this year" and not "this upcoming game vs the Saints."

EDIT: not including QB runs.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

to be clear, zombieslayer is saying Ryan Grant will get 7 carries to James Starks 1 carry against the New Orleans Saints. Bookmarked.

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#25

Have no idea how we went off topic.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

Yeah, that would be me.

And WPR, we are not special. We are poor schlub 9 to 5ers.

A pro athlete is a very special person. Their character may be shit, they may not be good people at all; but they are special in that deserve whatever perks some jackass billionaire owner is willing to pay them. To say they deserve a minimum salary + incentives is insulting to them.

Let's just televise rec league ball so middle age men can watch each relive their glory days.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#26

To say they deserve a minimum salary + incentives is insulting to them.

Let's just televise rec league ball so middle age men can watch each relive their glory days.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Wait, who said anything about minimum salary + incentives? There's a fair way to have a contract to compensate the player for past performances and provide incentive to continue positive performances. It's not as cut an dry as "oh to say they deserve minimum salary an incentives is an insult!"

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#27

Professional tennis, golf and racing are not special people with unique talents? They are all paid on performance so it is not unheard of in professional sports.

This is not meant to be a billionaire vs millionaire debate. Most of the billionaires are paid for their abilities. (Those that inherit vast fortunes tend to lose much of it if they can not contribute.)

I object to giving away money with no accountability on the recipient's part. No one hands money the the very good college player. Only the elite. They earned the right to get big money by their efforts in college. That was step one. Step to is to keep earning it. It is a simple process.

Back on topic- Grant 12 carries Th night Starks 5. By end of year, Starks 50%, Grant 45%, Green 5%.

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I said it. I intended to say all the players should receive some kind of decent base salary whatever it is. Most likely base on position and years of contribution. Then those that exceed some base performance get bigger pay days. Those that have been mega stars in the past most likely get paid way above the minimum. I never intended to get into this much of a discussion in this particular thread so I did not expound on it.

No disrespect to players was intended. I wouldn't mind seeing the min increased if they top end was a little less.

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#29

This is not meant to be a billionaire vs millionaire debate. Most of the billionaires are paid for their abilities. (Those that inherit vast fortunes tend to lose much of it if they can not contribute.)

I object to giving away money with no accountability on the recipient's part. No one hands money the the very good college player. Only the elite. They earned the right to get big money by their efforts in college. That was step one. Step to is to keep earning it. It is a simple process.

Originally Posted by: wpr

See I disagree, just making it to the NFL, means you were a stud ball player that made his college millions. Cha ching, it is payday.

And who exactly are we talking about. Those that dog it in the NFL, don't stay long.

The players got sodomized in the current CBA as well as the last one. They should be able to get as much pay as they can for as little time as they have.

Now I've been dogging poor TNS Grant for some time because I consider him damaged goods. Until he proves otherwise and starts breaking some fricken tackles and maximizing his carries - I'll always dog him. Grant had us over the barrel a few years ago and maximized his earning potential because Brandon Jackson never became the player we thought we drafted. Good for Grant, but he's back to day 1 in proving himself in my opinion and he's no better than the two playing behind him. Hope he shuts me up, but I have my doubts.

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#30

You got quite a double standard. If Grant was on a performance based contract he wouldn't get paid millions just because he was a stud in college and is as cute as hell.

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