go.pack.go.
16 years ago
No, I remember this year I think the Browns didn't punt even one time against the Giants.
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Roddyboy
16 years ago
What's Defensive "Master" Bates doing these days...?
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

I still can't beleive that we only stopped Brees once the whole game ... I mean ya I know Brees is good but how is it possible to stop a team in a whole game only 1 time ... Can someone check up if that's actually a record a team stopping the opposing team only once 3 and out ...

If Brees did that to our defense ... scary ... :(

"krazygangsta" wrote:



Not as bad as giving up an 11 minute drive, which the Saints did against the Jets a couple of weeks back.

I read about that stat on the weekend and couldn't believe it. I mean a frickin 11 minute drive!!!

Link to drive summaries 

^ Look at the fourth Q. drive. 11 frickin minutes and 09 seconds for a total of 67 yards. Damn!
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago
Getting back on topic, it's pretty sad we didn't blitz more. Our pass rushers simply fail to get the job done (besides Kampman, who gives it his all).

The last person that should be getting any time to throw is Drew Brees. Sanders should've understood that getting beaten wasn't simply because of the blitz, but rather bad angles and probably a less than top speed Atari Bigby covering.
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shield4life
16 years ago
lol 11 mins ... damnnn loool thats terrible
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longtimefan
16 years ago

Williams, meh. He's not doing crap in Cleveland. He's got .5 sacks, with a supposedly good supporting cast. they broke the bank for him and gave up a 2nd round (i think) pick for him. Right now, it still looks like we got the better end of that deal. I don't fault Sanders for not blitzing. my problem with him is an inability or unwillingness to amend the gameplan during the game. a good coach needs to be able to roll with the punches.

"Packnic" wrote:



This year we are 25th in the league with 18 sacks through 11 games...last year we were 13th in the league with 36 sacks for the season. Now tell me williams 6 sacks from the nt possition wasn't a factor.

"gotarace" wrote:




or maybe cullen jenkins being out is the bigger factor. couple that with KGB total ineffectiveness and then being cut. Williams wasn't worth what he wanted to be paid and its showing this year. It was a good trade.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



We do not have the depth on the line anymore to generate a pass rush, which in turn COULD help a LB/CB blitz..

Teams had to double team lot on our line last year....

They do not have to double team this year, which in turn allows a o-lman to concentrate on a blitzer more easily.
doddpower
16 years ago

Williams, meh. He's not doing crap in Cleveland. He's got .5 sacks, with a supposedly good supporting cast. they broke the bank for him and gave up a 2nd round (i think) pick for him. Right now, it still looks like we got the better end of that deal. I don't fault Sanders for not blitzing. my problem with him is an inability or unwillingness to amend the gameplan during the game. a good coach needs to be able to roll with the punches.

"pack93z" wrote:



This year we are 25th in the league with 18 sacks through 11 games...last year we were 13th in the league with 36 sacks for the season. Now tell me williams 6 sacks from the nt possition wasn't a factor.

"gotarace" wrote:



Exactly.. Williams did one thing that we are missing right this moment from the interior.. push the pocket, he was able to beat a man straight up and shoot the gaps...

In Cleveland, watch how they are using Corey.. they are asking him to take on the double team and eat up blockers for the 3-4 Backers have the ability to penetrate the backfield.. he is doing that decently.. but I thought on the outside he would be better than he is showing right now.

Don't get me wrong.. the trade wasn't a bad one, it basically brought Nelson here.. but we are missing that element from this defense right now.. a guy that can collapse and push the pocket from the inside.. that along with consistent pressure from Monty/Thompson/Hunter combo.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



Exactly. Williams was good. From my understanding of a typical 3-4 system, the Defensive Ends rarely generate eye-popping stats. They are asked to take on blockers in order to free up the linebackers so that they can make plays. Basically, the 3 down lineman are supposed to consume the offensive line and the linebackers clean up.

So, don't look at Williams stats alone. They don't tell the whole picture. Perhaps he wasn't worth the money he was wanting, but who really is?? That's the the NFL today. However, he is a good player, and generating pressure from the 4-3 defensive tackle position is crucial. Just see our defense now. I have no doubt we would be much more improved if we still had him.

With that being said, we still got a decent value for him. But it no doubt hurt our defense this season, which appears to be struggling, especially in the pass rush.
Greg C.
16 years ago
In order to keep Corey Williams, the Packers would have had to pay not just starter's money, but high-end starter's money, for a player who was not even a starter. He was an interior pass rushing specialist. I wonder if some of the people who have complained about losing Williams are the same people who complained about Mike Sherman's big contract for pass rushing specialist KGB.

I think Thompson's reasoning was sound in trading away Corey Williams. Remember how last year we had so many DT's that fans complained about Thompson drafting Justin Harrell? Unfortunately, the DT position, and the defensive line in general, has blown up in Thompson's face this year. Williams and Daniel Muir were let go, and Pickett and Jolly have not been as good as last year. Then with Cullen Jenkins getting hurt and KGB failing to get his mojo back, the right DE position, which looked so strong coming into the season, has become a weak link.

I don't think anyone will disagree that the defensive line needs major fixing in the off-season. In the meantime, Bob Sanders needs to improvise. Hint: If the other team is scoring on every single possession, as the Saints were, you have nothing to lose by blitzing.
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DarkaneRules
16 years ago
Losing Jenkins really hurt us this year on defense and I don't think that can be overstated.
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bozz_2006
16 years ago

I have no doubt we would be much more improved if we still had him.

"doddpower" wrote:



that's a pretty big assumption.
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bboystyle (5h) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
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Zero2Cool (7h) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
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