Greg C.
13 years ago
With the talent glut at TE, WR, and even, arguably, RB, some people think Quinn Johnson will get cut this year, leaving us with only John Kuhn at FB. It seems possible, but I don't think it will happen, for the simple reason that being only one deep at a position--even a relatively minor position like FB--would cause the coach to throw out part of the playbook if Kuhn gets hurt.

While it is true that the TEs often line up in the backfield, I don't think this makes them viable FB substitutes. A true FB is built low to the ground, and when he gets up a head of steam he can hammer defenders at the line of scrimmage more effectively than a taller TE. This ability serves the team well in goal line and short yardage situations. So I think Quinn will stick, even though he is not an especially good player and does not appear to have improved much since his rookie year. The past two years, Ted has kept three FBs. This implies that the position is important to the team. Going from three FBs to one would be a drastic move, and in my opinion, an unlikely one.
blank
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
Yeah I have been going back at forth at this position. There are certainly more talented players in the 4-5 TE slot. 6-7 WR. Along with other places as well.

It is not so much goal line or short yardage that they will miss Johnson as the game in game out pounding that the FB takes. For just one play they will not be hurt too bad as they can use a TE. They can use a DT like Raji. They can use Kuhn.

If Kuhn goes IR, chances are they would be able to bring Johnson back. If he only blocks not many teams have a need so it wouldn't surprise me if he is still available mid season.


I have been leaning toward them releasing him. If Kuhn was a classic FB I think it would be a slam dunk. While I wouldn't feel bad if he was released I too think he stays.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago

Yeah I have been going back at forth at this position. There are certainly more talented players in the 4-5 TE slot. 6-7 WR. Along with other places as well.

It is not so much goal line or short yardage that they will miss Johnson as the game in game out pounding that the FB takes. For just one play they will not be hurt too bad as they can use a TE. They can use a DT like Raji. They can use Kuhn.

If Kuhn goes IR, chances are they would be able to bring Johnson back. If he only blocks not many teams have a need so it wouldn't surprise me if he is still available mid season.

I have been leaning toward them releasing him. If Kuhn was a classic FB I think it would be a slam dunk. While I wouldn't feel bad if he was released I too think he stays.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I think Kuhn can take the pounding, because they don't even use the FB on many (most?) plays, and even when he's in there, he doesn't always block. My concern is that if Kuhn gets hurt and there's no other FB on the roster, the best McCarthy can do is plug a TE in there, and it just isn't the same.

I'm also thinking of that blowout loss to the Rams in the playoffs at the end of the 2001 season, when William Henderson got hurt early in the game and they had no other FB suited up. It hurt the offense. Sherman did not line up TEs in the backfield like McCarthy so often does, but I still think there should be another FB ready to go in case the #1 guy gets hurt.

Also, I think it would be too much of a gamble to hope that Quinn Johnson would not get picked up by another team if he's cut.
blank
zombieslayer
13 years ago
Did not 🇲🇲 say on several occasions that in our system, you can use FBs and TEs almost interchangeably? Greg - I saw you refuted that, but I could have sworn I've heard 🇲🇲 say it more than once.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
gbguy20
13 years ago
mikes head is talking to me
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

mikes head is talking to me

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 


You're okay, unless the head starts spitting.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago

Did not 🇲🇲 say on several occasions that in our system, you can use FBs and TEs almost interchangeably? Greg - I saw you refuted that, but I could have sworn I've heard 🇲🇲 say it more than once.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Yes, I think he has said that at least once. But I don't believe everything Mike McCarthy says in his press conferences, and I'm not sure how literally he meant it anyway. On short yardage plays, it seems to me that there is always a FB (or two) in the backfield rather than a TE.

blank
lolleren
13 years ago
The last few years I have never been confident in our ability to get the last 1-2 yards on the ground, I favour keeping him as I dont believe in doing anything that hamper our chances when facing a third and very short.
We might have more talent at the other positions, but would keeping another WR help our passing game? I dont believe so.
blank
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

The last few years I have never been confident in our ability to get the last 1-2 yards on the ground, I favour keeping him as I dont believe in doing anything that hamper our chances when facing a third and very short.
We might have more talent at the other positions, but would keeping another WR help our passing game? I dont believe so.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 




The 6th WR will not help our passing game. It may well help our ST game. It probably will help the passing game in 2012 and 2013.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Did not 🇲🇲 say on several occasions that in our system, you can use FBs and

TEs almost interchangeably? Greg - I saw you refuted that, but I could have sworn I've heard 🇲🇲 say it more than once.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 

Yes, I think he has said that at least once. But I don't believe everything Mike McCarthy says in his press conferences, and I'm not sure how literally he meant it anyway. On short yardage plays, it seems to me that there is always a FB (or two) in the backfield rather than a TE.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



The thing about zombieslayer is, he only believes what Mike McCarthy says when it supports his point, but if what Mike McCarthy says goes against, well ... here you can read for yourself.

And we know general managers, coaches, and other team leaders are always honest and forthcoming about strategy decisions before the media.😝

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


Exactly.

You know what we should really do? We should tell our chess moves 4 moves in advance to our opponents. I think that's a great way to be good at chess.

I don't believe one word Mike and Dom say to the media. (Which is a GOOD thing. I don't want them telling the media ****).

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 





:-"
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (22h) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
dfosterf (14-Jun) : TWO magnificent strikes for touchdowns. Lose the pennstate semigeezer non nfl backup
dfosterf (14-Jun) : There was minicamp Thursday. My man Taylor Engersma threw
dfosterf (11-Jun) : There will be a mini camp practice Thursday.
Zero2Cool (11-Jun) : He's been sporting a ring for a while now. It's probably Madonna.
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : We only do the tea before whoopee, it relaxes me.
wpr (10-Jun) : That's awesome Martha.
Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : How's the ayahuasca tea he makes, Martha?
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : Turns out he like older women
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : I wasn't supposed to say anything, but yes the word is out and we are happy 😂😂😂
Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : I might be late on this but Aaron Rodgers is now married
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Jun / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15-Jun / Random Babble / Martha Careful

14-Jun / Around The NFL / beast

14-Jun / Community Welcome! / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.