Just wish Edgar Bennett was still our RBs coach. He did a dang fine job as an RB coach.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

Actually, no people don't. For instance, he's shown absolutely nothing as a runner (you know, the primary job of a running back). That was the point of my first post; that you just keep stating things as universally held truths with little to no support.



Right, Grant came to Green Bay around week 1 after offseason workouts, OTAs, and training camp. He came a massive two weeks earlier in '07 than did Nance in '10. Yet, Grant still managed to average 5.1 yards per carry and run for 956 yards after he beat out Brandon Jackson and Deshawn Wynn. That is, by the way, the same Brandon Jackson that Dimitri Nance failed to even sniff beating out.

I never heard anything about Grant having trouble with the playbook like I did with Nance. My understanding was that he didn't produce much because he was the third string running back behind two young guys with hype and potential (even though very little of it was eventually realized). Nance came in as the second string halfback (Grant and Starks injured) but couldn't beat out an ineffectual Jackson and a fullback picking up the slack as best he could.

Regardless, even if Grant was slow picking up the playbook for the first half of the year as you implied, his first season in Green Bay shits on Nance's. There's no comparison. If I recall correctly, Grant produced more on the ground in the second half of '07 than any other running back in the league. Over the first two and a half years Grant spent in Green Bay, I believe only Adrian Peterson had more rushing yards.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

So far Grant is the only one NOT mentioned as getting a shot at that role. Weird, isn't it? He's willing to take a million dollar pay cut, but not willing to go to the coach and ask for a shot at that role? Are you saying Grant is some kind of a pussy?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

So far Grant is the only one NOT mentioned as getting a shot at that role. Weird, isn't it? He's willing to take a million dollar pay cut, but not willing to go to the coach and ask for a shot at that role? Are you saying Grant is some kind of a pussy?

Originally Posted by: Nerdmann 

1: Sounds like we agree. I say that, it's neither Nance's 2.7 ypc from last year nor his 7 ypc against scrubs that make him a threat to Grant's roster spot. It's the "third down guy" gig. Looks like they wanted Starks to make a statement about that position yesterday.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I never stated Nance was a better "runner." What I said was that he's better at other things than ONLY "third down pass pro guy." Such as receiving, cutting, seeing holes, stuff like that.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

2: Yes, Grant did well, after week 10 when he was finally able to contribute. Meanwhile, Starks was taking over the position late in the season last year. Still none of this has anything to do with the "third down pass pro" role. Which btw, Grant is STILL not even being mentioned as. So far Grant is the only one NOT mentioned as getting a shot at that role. Weird, isn't it? He's willing to take a million dollar pay cut, but not willing to go to the coach and ask for a shot at that role? Are you saying Grant is some kind of a pussy?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I love how you keep bringing up his yards per carry in a preseason game. I know you keep saying against scrubs but your instance on putting it side by side with his season total from last year is just desperate. His 2.7 ypc last year is relevant; his 7 ypc in the preseason is not. Try to comprehend that.



No, you haven't said that word for word. You just keep saying he's faster, shiftier, has better vision, etc. If Nance were to be better than Grant at all those things and more (as you keep implying with "stuff like that" and "etc.") he would be a better runner.



This last paragraph was just a rambling, incoherent mess. As everyone already pointed out he has a different role: the primary runner. Lots of teams have a more traditional running back with another guy who takes over third down passing situations. It's a different skill set and it's rare for someone to excel at both.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

Most "primary runners" don't have two guys on their teams who are better than they are. The example of Greg Jennings for instance. Do we have people on the team who are a threat to his roster spot? No. He's clearly the #1 guy. Is there a guy who is even arguably better than Aaron Rodgers? Not that I can tell.
Another thing about Jennings and Rodgers. These are guys who want to improve their game in every possible way. It just strikes me as odd that Grant isn't doing that. Does that make me a hater?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Most "primary runners" don't have two guys on their teams who are better than they are. The example of Greg Jennings for instance. Do we have people on the team who are a threat to his roster spot? No. He's clearly the #1 guy. Is there a guy who is even arguably better than Aaron Rodgers? Not that I can tell.
Another thing about Jennings and Rodgers. These are guys who want to improve their game in every possible way. It just strikes me as odd that Grant isn't doing that. Does that make me a hater?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

No. It makes you out of touch with reality.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister