DakotaT
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13 years ago

wpr is pissed because he can't refute anything I say. It's not my fault I'm the smartest one on this forum. I'm very good looking too.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Finally, someone in my league. I've been searching a long time for you Nerdmann. Welcome to my Dojo of Coolness. =d>

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DakotaT
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13 years ago
Zero, something is wrong with your quote button.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago

Finally, someone in my league. I've been searching a long time for you Nerdmann. Welcome to my Dojo of Coolness. =d>

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



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13 years ago

Finally, someone in my league. I've been searching a long time for you Nerdmann. Welcome to my Dojo of Coolness. =d>

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 




Why does nerdman have to join YOUR dojo? He is cool enough to have his own. Maybe you should join HIS? [palm]
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13 years ago

Why does nerdman have to join YOUR dojo? He is cool enough to have his own. Maybe you should join HIS? [palm]

Originally Posted by: wpr 




Sen-sai don't join other dojos.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

It looked like they were playing Starks a lot as the 3rd down back, and while he had some nice catches, he sucked in pass protection. Often looking for a guy to block but totally missing and running out into the flat. 3rd down back still seems like a major concern, and John Kuhn may very well take up those duties early on in the season, as one of the only backs on the roster who can pass block. It would be great if Alex Green could develop in pass protection, as he really looks to have the skillset of a 3rd down back.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



Yeah, I seen that too, after I read he was gonna be used as a 3rd down guy. I think that'd be a good use for him. Run the wheels off Ryan Grant on first and second, then use James Starks on third.
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13 years ago

Why does nerdman have to join YOUR dojo? He is cool enough to have his own. Maybe you should join HIS? [palm]

Originally Posted by: wpr 




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mi_keys
13 years ago

Yeah, he's better than Grant at more than just "third down pass pro." We pretty much all agree on that.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Actually, no people don't. For instance, he's shown absolutely nothing as a runner (you know, the primary job of a running back). That was the point of my first post; that you just keep stating things as universally held truths with little to no support.

And yes, I agree, he was picked up part way through the season. Didn't recall precisely when. Fact is, he didn't go through OTAs and he didn't go through training camp with the team. Ergo, he had to learn the playbook on the fly.
Remember when Grant came aboard from the Giants? He came on a trade the night of the final cuts, so he was with the team week 1. But it took him until week 10 until he could contribute.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Right, Grant came to Green Bay around week 1 after offseason workouts, OTAs, and training camp. He came a massive two weeks earlier in '07 than did Nance in '10. Yet, Grant still managed to average 5.1 yards per carry and run for 956 yards after he beat out Brandon Jackson and Deshawn Wynn. That is, by the way, the same Brandon Jackson that Dimitri Nance failed to even sniff beating out.

I never heard anything about Grant having trouble with the playbook like I did with Nance. My understanding was that he didn't produce much because he was the third string running back behind two young guys with hype and potential (even though very little of it was eventually realized). Nance came in as the second string halfback (Grant and Starks injured) but couldn't beat out an ineffectual Jackson and a fullback picking up the slack as best he could.

Regardless, even if Grant was slow picking up the playbook for the first half of the year as you implied, his first season in Green Bay shits on Nance's. There's no comparison. If I recall correctly, Grant produced more on the ground in the second half of '07 than any other running back in the league. Over the first two and a half years Grant spent in Green Bay, I believe only Adrian Peterson had more rushing yards.
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13 years ago
A bird in the hand...

Grant is the bird in the hand. He has been a 1200 yards/year back. Starks has shown some ability in the end of the regular season and in the playoffs. But not to the level of Grants production. James has also shown a disturbing propensity for missing blocks.

Nerdly's defense of Nance saying that Grant took 9 weeks to take off is pretty funny. Nance has not taken off yet. Has not shown any signs of taking off and he has been at it longer than Grant when he took off (without the benefit of OTA or minni camp either). If Grant had such a take off, why does he need to be replaced? Replaced by a guy who has done nothing when it counts other than appear to have some potential to a few (possibly only 1) people.

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Ryan-Grant/802b7d7c-0e6d-4cab-90a0-987c2de2a59c 

Is this a case of blind hate for a player because of his alma mater? I can't see any other reason for it. Or is it envy for the RBs that get rushing titles but not championships. Maybe Nerd boy needs to find a team like MN where they are more likely to get that rushing title. We all know they won't win a Lombardi.
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13 years ago

Actually, no people don't. For instance, he's shown absolutely nothing as a runner (you know, the primary job of a running back). That was the point of my first post; that you just keep stating things as universally held truths with little to no support.



Right, Grant came to Green Bay around week 1 after offseason workouts, OTAs, and training camp. He came a massive two weeks earlier in '07 than did Nance in '10. Yet, Grant still managed to average 5.1 yards per carry and run for 956 yards after he beat out Brandon Jackson and Deshawn Wynn. That is, by the way, the same Brandon Jackson that Dimitri Nance failed to even sniff beating out.

I never heard anything about Grant having trouble with the playbook like I did with Nance. My understanding was that he didn't produce much because he was the third string running back behind two young guys with hype and potential (even though very little of it was eventually realized). Nance came in as the second string halfback (Grant and Starks injured) but couldn't beat out an ineffectual Jackson and a fullback picking up the slack as best he could.

Regardless, even if Grant was slow picking up the playbook for the first half of the year as you implied, his first season in Green Bay shits on Nance's. There's no comparison. If I recall correctly, Grant produced more on the ground in the second half of '07 than any other running back in the league. Over the first two and a half years Grant spent in Green Bay, I believe only Adrian Peterson had more rushing yards.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Thank you Keys. Yes, ONE RB afaik beat out Grant in the from the 2nd half of '07 until the end of the '09 season. I heard the same thing.

I detect an irrational hatred for the guy.

Btw, Grant has the highest IQ of any of the RBs on our team. He's also quite well spoken. I know that doesn't matter to a lot of folks, but it matters to me. I like players who can speak English instead of grunt speak.

Year Att Yrds TDs Lg Ave
2007 188 956 8 66 5.1
2008 312 1203 4 57 3.9
2009 282 1253 11 62 4.4



Start putting those stats up against other starting RBs in the NFL and you'll realize just how good Grant is. Yes, his weakness is the screen and I love screens probably more than anyone else on this board. But that's what a good third down back is for. It's a shame we didn't keep B-Jack as I love his blocking abilities. (Yes, I know he's out for the year). I trust 🇹🇹 and 🇲🇲 though thinking Green could replace B-Jack. I hope they're right. Just wish Edgar Bennett was still our RBs coach. He did a dang fine job as an RB coach.
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