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Packers strong at safety 

It wasn't that long ago that Safety was one of the weaker positions on the team. Things can change quickly.

Restricted most of last year by Charlie Peprah's athletic limitations, the Green Bay Packers are poised to unleash their most flexible and possibly best safety combination since the four-year run of LeRoy Butler and Darren Sharper ended a decade ago.

Free safety Nick Collins, the mainstay, ranks with Washington's LaRon Landry as one of the top two safeties in the NFC.

Strong safety Morgan Burnett, just 22, is showing signs of becoming one of the finest young safeties in the league.

Together, Collins and Burnett have the speed to glide from sideline to sideline and the size to play effectively at the line of scrimmage.

Whereas defensive coordinator Dom Capers used Peprah generally in the box after Burnett blew out a knee in Week 4, he will enter the regular season at ease interchanging Collins and Burnett because of their similar traits.

"There were times last year because of what we were doing scheme-wise, it was better just to keep Charlie down and keep Nick in the middle," Capers said. "As we put our defenses in through training camp, we want guys to be equal so we can do both with them. I think we can with both of those guys."

Collins, 5 feet 11 inches and 209 pounds, is most valuable patrolling deep in zone coverage.

"Nick's best asset is roaming the middle of the field because he has such great range," said Darren Perry, who coaches the safeties. "You certainly don't want to take that away, but Morgan has the same type of range."

When the Packers dropped a safety down in Collins' first six seasons, he usually remained back because he could chase anyone down and was more athletic than his cohort. The list of his partners included Mark Roman, Marquand Manuel, Aaron Rouse, Atari Bigby and Peprah.

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13 years ago
Hope burnett stays healthy - like to see him in 'real' action this season ... errr besides the first game.

Sure like his style in the preseason so far.

Our main corners dont look too bad either - I still think sam shields is a bit too raw and short; but who knows ... maybe he has what it takes.
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13 years ago

Hope burnett stays healthy - like to see him in 'real' action this season ... errr besides the first game.

Sure like his style in the preseason so far.

Our main corners dont look too bad either - I still think sam shields is a bit too raw and short; but who knows ... maybe he has what it takes.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 




He obviously doesn't have what it takes to seal some games or make huge game changing plays. Nope, he's too short! He must not have what it takes to be a good player in this league (even though he already has been on a super bowl winning team. Go figure).
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Our main corners dont look too bad either - I still think sam shields is a bit too raw and short; but who knows ... maybe he has what it takes.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 




IMO.. Shields has a combination of two things that go a long way in making a NFL corner.

Ball Skills and elite speed.. he has both in plenty. Not many have the combination he has with those two.. playing at WR helped the first and the second is just god given.

Yes he is raw.. yes he might be short on experience at corner.. but the above two combined elements in a player afford him some room that others don't get.

5-11 is too short?

Daryll Green might object.. but I guess I don't think it is too short with his frame and arm length.

Out of all the players that surprised last season.. I look forward to Shields next step the most.. can he build upon his opening campaign? Will he regress some? Will he become what I personally think he can be.. a truly special player on the perimeter?
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13 years ago
I have no idea if he can become a truly special player, but I'm confident he already is and will continue to be a very solid player. A very solid player with elite speed and much more room to grow is something every team in the NFL needs more of. He's probably the best nickle back in the NFL, outside of DRC of the Eagles, perhaps.
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13 years ago
🇹🇹 will give Shields a long term contract within the next 2 years.
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Hope burnett stays healthy - like to see him in 'real' action this season ... errr besides the first game.

Sure like his style in the preseason so far.

Our main corners dont look too bad either - I still think sam shields is a bit too raw and short; but who knows ... maybe he has what it takes.

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he has already made some big/hard hits in the first two games. 👍
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13 years ago
What's really exciting is not only how well he played as an undrafted rookie but he still has a huge upside. Also, important is, from everyting I've read, he is very mature and works hard to improve himself. Sure I'd love for him to be 6'2" and 210, but he is what he is and I'm esctatic we have him.
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I feel bad for Charlie Peprah. He and Bishop saved our season last year, but Charlie gets relegated back to the bench.
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I feel bad for Charlie Peprah. He and Bishop saved our season last year, but Charlie gets relegated back to the bench.

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In reality.. Dom will find a way to utilize Charlie... and if nothing else.. Charlie has earned a payday in the near future.. might not be in Green Bay, but he is going to get paid.

I would add one more name to that list of saviors.. Howard Green, in my book, maybe the greatest of the group considering injuries and numbers at Dline.

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13 years ago
Charlie has to feel very good considering where he was two years ago. I like Green also, and Walden, and Zumbo, and Bulaga, and Starks, and Flynn, and Quarless, and Crabtree, and Bishop, and Shields, and Jenkins(wearing a cast), Nelson and everybody elso who came through and unexpectantly came through, with all our injuries, to win a Super Bowl.
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I wasn't really aware of schematic limitations last year because of Peprah. I don't have access to the "film" but I was nonetheless impressed by Peprah last year, especially considering his career backup status. He was solid if unremarkable, and while that don't seem too sexy, in a defense with a bunch of studs it can be all you need sometimes. People always ragged on A.J. Hawk in a similar kind of way.
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13 years ago

I wasn't really aware of schematic limitations last year because of Peprah. I don't have access to the "film" but I was nonetheless impressed by Peprah last year, especially considering his career backup status. He was solid if unremarkable, and while that don't seem too sexy, in a defense with a bunch of studs it can be all you need sometimes. People always ragged on A.J. Hawk in a similar kind of way.

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Regarding the comparison to A.J. Hawk, that's probably because Charlie Peprah wasn't a 5th overall draft selection.
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13 years ago
Jamarcus Russell was the 1st, Ryan Leaf was the 2nd and Brent Fullwood was the 4th player picked. I like Hawk at 5th best. I even like him better at 5th than Jamal Reynolds at 10th. LOL
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Regarding the comparison to A.J. Hawk, that's probably because Charlie Peprah wasn't a 5th overall draft selection.

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I understand the draft stock argument (or even if it's not an argument I understand pointing it out) but I'm still frustrated by it. Hawk has never played to the proportional level of expectation that goes with his draft stock. That said, he's played well enough to earn a second contract and when it's all said and done we'll look back on a 10 year starter and think fondly of him.

A 4th round pick like Josh Sitton may have never had to deal with the expectations of being the fifth pick but now that he's established himself as a top flight talent he'll be held to a higher standard.

It doesn't appear that a point is crystalizing ... so I'll just say that my hope is we'll all get better at holding players accountable to their ability and not their draft stock.

Morgan Burnett looks like a stud, but if he goes down we're in good hands with Peprah.
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The biggest issue with Hawk outside of his draft position in relation to a weak draft and the system in the NFL at that point paying a premium at the top of the draft; is that he always seemed to play tentatively, like was a tick slow in reading the play.

Late in 09 and last season with being paired with Bishop, you didn't see that as much.. more instinctive and aggressive.. so maybe some of that was a product of the system/players around him.

Either way.. there was a notable difference in Hawk's play in the box.. while he still might not be a blue chip player that some #5 picks in the draft turn into.. his play of last season was solid and assignment sure and at times impacting. Helped him earn another contract.. note the timing of his contract to some other with expiring deals. One would have to believe that is in a way telling..

Bishop and Hawk seem to compliment each other better than the combination of Barnett and Hawk. In the team game.. that is all that matters. Working together as a unit.

Either way.. we are definitely in a better spot at safety today than a year ago.. light years ahead of 2009.
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13 years ago
Hawk was solid last year and he'll be solid for years to come. He may never get a Pro Bowl, but he's one of the players the Packers want to keep for years. That's why 🇹🇹 gave him a new contract. 🇹🇹 and 🇲🇲 wanted to lock him up for years.

As for Safety, I can't really judge our SS. However, Collins has had 3 straight Pro Bowls and yes, he's earned them.
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