Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Yeah imagine that. Who would think that there is stuff that happens behind the scenes that fans don't get to see or hear. I'm sure they just told him to watch the twitter feeds to see if he gets the boot...

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 



WTF? Ted Thompson said I was the only one who knew his strategy! That flipping liar. Just proves the Packers will never win a Super Bowl with him at GM.
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Packerchick
13 years ago
Sad to see the guy go, but I am not too shocked. Hopefully the Oline will hold up after him.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

TED DON'T YOU DARE EVEN THINK ABOUT RE-SIGNING MARK TAUSCHER, YOU DO AND YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO ME!!!!!!!!

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Where did I say or even imply something as absurd as that? You said they had the option to bring him back -- I asked, what would be the tactical or business reasons for doing so? This roster is choked to suffocation with options, and a massacre is going to ensue before the season starts. This team is going to hemorrhage quality talent in order to get down to the 53-man roster. Instead of explaining your rationale as to how you believe resigning Tauscher would benefit this team in a substantive manner, you launch into a weirdly irrational ad hominem rant. You always react so strongly about changes in this roster, particularly when it comes to veterans leaving. Are you really as emotionally unstable as you portray yourself on this board?

By the way, my post was unstintingly approving of the job the front office has done this year. Why don't you try reading what I am actually saying instead of filtering it through your own bias against change?
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Where did I say or even imply something as absurd as that? You said they had the option to bring him back -- I asked, what would be the tactical or business reasons for doing so? This roster is choked to suffocation with options, and a massacre is going to ensue before the season starts. This team is going to hemorrhage quality talent in order to get down to the 53-man roster. Instead of explaining your rationale as to how you believe resigning Tauscher would benefit this team in a substantive manner, you launch into a weirdly irrational ad hominem rant. You always react so strongly about changes in this roster, particularly when it comes to veterans leaving. Are you really as emotionally unstable as you portray yourself on this board?

By the way, my post was unstintingly approving of the job the front office has done this year. Why don't you try reading what I am actually saying instead of filtering it through your own bias against change?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




It's your body of work, not just one post. You and I have always about hacking veterans to make room for younger talent with bright futures. Mark's time has come, he was a great Packer, and now we are moving on. I don't think these players get as emotional as some of the fans do.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
What can I say, sir? Nostalgic Packers fans aren't the first people to call me an asshole, and they certainly won't be the last.[grin1] [ass]
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13 years ago

It's your body of work, not just one post. You and I have always about hacking veterans to make room for younger talent with bright futures. Mark's time has come, he was a great Packer, and now we are moving on. I don't think these players get as emotional as some of the fans do.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



This causes me to ask the question-
Will Mark end up in the Packer HOF in 10-15 years? I believe there is a very good chance of that.
Clifton is a definite yes.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Based on the following article, I don't think there is much question he will be enshrined in the Packers Hall of Fame.

Tauscher: A Tremendous Performer
 
By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel
July 29, 2011

You'd almost have to go back to Sept. 1, 1986, when coach Forrest Gregg purged quarterback Lynn Dickey and tight end Paul Coffman, to recall a day like Friday in the annals of the Green Bay Packers.

Among the big names terminated was Mark Tauscher.

This isn't meant to be a full-blown analysis of Tauscher's career in Green Bay. This blog really isn't the vehicle for that.

Instead, let's just recall Tauscher by some of the numbers by which offensive linemen are measured.

To do so, it's inevitable that Tauscher has to be compared to Chad Clifton, his friend and fellow tackle. They were drafted together in 2000, they became starters together in 2000 and they were the team's starting tackles until the fourth game last season when Tauscher's season, and presumably career, ended with a torn rotator cuff against Detroit.

We know how really good Clifton has been for a really long time. Finally, he was selected for the Pro Bowl in 2010 after having been an alternate twice before. Tauscher never made the Pro Bowl, and if he ever was chosen as an alternate the club never released it.

Because of injury, Clifton has played more games than Tauscher. Counting playoffs, Clifton has played in 171 games, starting 166, whereas Tauscher played in 142 games, starting 140.

Clifton's margin in starts of 26 is a significant number when you start examining raw totals in various categories, as we shall do.

OK, let's start by looking at sacks allowed during each of their careers. If I've learned anything on this beat, it's that responsibility for sacks is what you think it is maybe 65% of the time. There are all kinds of variables that affect sack responsibility, and over the years I've done my level best to ascertain who truly was responsible for every sack allowed by the Packers.

SACKS ALLOWED: Tauscher 20 1/2, Clifton 37.

OK, let's move to "bad" runs. I started this in the late 1990s in an attempt to measure run blocking. I defined a "bad" run as a gain for 1 yard or less in non-goalline or non-short yardage situations. Why didn't I just say no gain or worse? Just an arbitrary decision.

BAD RUNS: Tauscher 82, Clifton 106 1/2.

OK, let's move to penalties. This total is for penalties that were accepted. Penalties that were declined or offsetting were not counted.

PENALTIES: Tauscher 28, Clifton 77.

The above three categories measure pass blocking, run blocking, poise and discipline. They do not consider that Clifton played LT and Tauscher played RT, and that by and large Clifton played against somewhat better opponents at RDE/ROLB than Tauscher did playing against LDE/LOLB.

But considering how well Clifton has played and continues to play, seeing how those numbers favor Tauscher are rather startling.

Clifton was blessed by better health. His one terrible injury was the separated pelvis that he suffered in Tampa Bay in 2002. Tauscher, on the other hand, suffered three: the torn ACL in New Orleans in 2002, the torn ACL in Houston in 2008 and the torn rotator cuff against Detroit in 2010. Each had other physical problems that kept them out of games.

Each year since the early 1990s, scouts from the division teams have picked an all-NFC Central and then all-NFC North team for the JS. Here's how Tauscher fared on those teams at RT:

2000: T3 behind Korey Stringer.

2001: 2nd behind Big Cat Williams.

2002: Injured.

2003: T1 with Mike Rosenthal.

2004: 2nd behind John Tait.

2005: 1st (unanimous).

2006: 2nd behind Fred Miller.

2007: 1st (unanimous).

2008: 2nd behind Tait.

2009: 3rd behind Phil Loadholt.

2010: Bryan Bulaga was the GB rep at RT.

So, in nine seasons, Tauscher was first three times, second four times and third twice. He was never fourth or fifth.

The point of all this should be rather obvious. Tauscher was one hell of a football player.

Over his 11 seasons, I must have talked to more than 100 scouts and assistant coaches about Tauscher's game. Some guys just could never get over the way he looked in a uniform. Over time, some almost grudingly came to admit that he was a solid player.

It's true. Tauscher didn't look exactly cut on the field. But he possessed remarkable athletic ability, remarkable powers of concentration and remarkable intangibles that made him a worthy successor to Earl Dotson at the position and a proud predecessor for Bulaga.

Tauscher was an acquired taste. One needed to see him play every game over a period of years to appreciate him. A four-game segment of a season or hurried off-season tape work wasn't enough.

When the waiting period is up, Tauscher will have his induction night into the team's Hall of Fame. That will be well-deserved, of course, but it might be a little too slick for No. 65.

Mark Tauscher doesn't need his name on a plaque or the Pro Bowl that now is skewed by fan voting to know what he accomplished. He just wanted to play the game well, and play it well he did.


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13 years ago

Based on the following article, I don't think there is much question he will be enshrined in the Packers Hall of Fame.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I haven't been to JS in a while so I may have missed the article. It is hard to compare Taush to Clifton because of their different positions. And there are not a lot of stats for OLmen. There is not doubt he would be a lock if he had started in Dallas last Feb. Even so I can see him getting the nod.
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PackerTraxx
13 years ago
Still one of the best football stories ever. He goes from an after thought, to transfering to Evansville so he can play his senior year of college, he is asked back by the Badger coaches, starts for a Rose Bowl winning team, is drafted by and then starts for the Packers, all in about a year! Then has a distinquished career and probably goes into the Packer Hall of Fame. And he is one of Wisconsin's sons!

Best Wishes Mark.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Rockmolder
13 years ago

Yeah imagine that. Who would think that there is stuff that happens behind the scenes that fans don't get to see or hear. I'm sure they just told him to watch the twitter feeds to see if he gets the boot...

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 




You mean the team communicated their releases to them before putting it on their website? Yeah, sorry. I'm not quite intelligent enough to grasp something as subtle as that.

Or there's that very slim chance that you're completely missing the point here.

I disagree... clearly the weren't talking to S Greco or the other one year guy... because they said "years". They were talking to the guy(s) who gave "years of service". So it could of meant just Tausher, Barrnett, Poppinga, Chillar and maybe Harrell... but not the 1 years guys.

beast wrote:



That was on me, since I couldn't be arsed to find the complete quote at the time...

We want to thank all of the players for their many contributions to the Green Bay Packers throughout their careers. During their time here, they have been valuable members of our organization and our community. We wish all of them the very best in the future.

Ted Thompson wrote:



All in all, I don't mind too much, but the reporter did have a very solid point. That's a very standard cutting message and, publically, they're giving the same treatment to their 10 year veteran, franchise RT as to their 1st year safety who hasn't played in a single game.

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