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13 years ago
James Starks, Ryan Grant give Green Bay Packers legitimate two-back attack 

James Starks surely looked like a starting-caliber NFL running back in his seven regular-season and postseason games at the end of his rookie season.

That probably means he and Ryan Grant, returning from a broken ankle that ended his 2010 season in Week 1, will share the bulk of the Green Bay Packers’ carries at halfback in 2011.

That’s part of what makes this a transition year for the Packers’ backfield: Starks conceivably could become their best ball carrier; a high draft pick (third-round selection Alex Green) enters the mix at a position where rookies have a fighting chance of contributing quickly; and pass-blocking specialist Brandon Jackson could leave in free agency.

Starks’ prospects for this season aren’t based much on the overall numbers he put up last year — he averaged only 3.5 yards a carry in three regular-season games and 3.9 yards in four playoff games. But after missing all of training camp and the bulk of the regular season because of a hamstring injury, he got up to speed enough as a rookie to provide the Packers a viable run game in the playoffs that they lacked with Grant out.

Playing in an offense that finished the regular season ranked No. 24 in the NFL in rushing yards per game and No. 25 in average yards per carry, Starks had two especially good games in the postseason: He rushed for 123 yards (5.3-yard average) in the Packers’ wild-card playoff win at Philadelphia and a 4.7-yard average on only 11 carries in the Super Bowl against a Pittsburgh Steelers defense that ranked No. 1 in the NFL against the run.

Going into training camp, Grant might be the nominal starter because of his veteran status and previous accomplishments, but of all the scenarios that could play out, the most likely is he and Starks split most of the carries, and it wouldn’t be a surprise if Starks is playing a little more than Grant by the end of the season.

They’re built similarly — both are tall (Starks is 6-foot-2, Grant 6-1) and have decent size (Starks is 218 pounds, Grant 222) — and though Grant has proven toughness for the position, Starks appears to be a little more athletic and the shiftier runner.

The issue with Starks is his health. He missed his entire senior season at the University at Buffalo because of a shoulder injury and was unable to practice as a rookie from the start of camp through midseason because of a hamstring injury. That injury history alone at a high-attrition position means the Packers have to be wary of counting on him for a full season.

Grant, in the meantime, is coming back from a substantial injury and carries a high salary ($5.25 million in base pay plus roster bonus) at an age — he turns 29 in December — when halfbacks usually are near or already beginning to decline.

But because of the beating running backs take, more NFL teams prefer to have two backs, sometimes even three, split the primary running duties unless they have a stud such as Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson. And though Grant the last three years hasn’t played to the level he showed when he sprung from the bottom of their depth chart in 2007 to help them advance to the NFC championship game, he was the NFL’s fourth-ranked rusher in the 2007-09 seasons combined.

The Packers’ run game suffered without him until Starks provided a viable run game in the playoffs. Grant always has been a worker, so there’s little reason to think he’ll be in anything but top shape when camp starts.

The Packers might have another option in Green, who played at a junior college because of academic shortcomings, then was a part-time player at Hawaii as a junior before becoming a huge part of the offense as a senior. He had an astronomical 8.2-yard average on his 146 carries last season, inflated by frequently running through big holes on the draw calls that Hawaii mixed in with its wide-open, spread passing game.

But he also has a nice combination of size (6-0 1/8, 220) and speed (4.55 seconds in the 40-yard dash), and playing in Hawaii’s heavily pass-oriented offense should have provided good training for pass blocking and catching in an NFL system.

The NFL lockout prevented Green from learning the basics of the Packers’ offense this offseason, so he’ll be starting almost from scratch when camp opens. But he’s playing a position at which rookies often contribute immediately, and he’ll get his chance to show he should be on the field, at least on passing downs and perhaps more.

Finally, there’s the question of whether backup Brandon Jackson returns. The fifth-year pro will be an unrestricted free agent, and it’s unclear what his market value will be when the signing period begins, because though he plays running back, his main value isn’t as a runner but as a blocker in the passing game.

Jackson has had a couple of chances to win the starting job in four seasons with the Packers but hasn’t run well enough (3.7-yard career average).

On the other hand, he’s one of the better pass-blocking backs in the league, which is no small matter for a Packers team looking to protect an elite quarterback who sustained two concussions last season. Maybe another club will sign Jackson for a shot at playing more than on passing downs, but if not, he’d be more than welcome to re-sign with the Packers.

If Jackson returns, there’s at least a decent chance the team could keep four halfbacks. The past two years they’ve made an unusual decision by carrying three fullbacks instead of the two or one that most teams have, but it’s looking unlikely they’d do it for a third straight season. Two of those fullbacks, John Kuhn and Korey Hall, are unrestricted free agents, and the best guess is one will leave.

Though Hall is the best special teams player among the three — third-year pro Quinn Johnson is the other fullback — Kuhn is more valuable to the Packers because as he showed last season he can function as an emergency halfback besides playing as a lead blocker.

If the Packers keep only two fullbacks on their final roster, then they could carry four halfbacks and have the standard six players at those two positions combined.

Johnson hasn’t been the special teams player the Packers projected when they selected him in the fifth round of the 2005 draft, and he has started slowly his first two years but closed each strongly as a lead blocker.


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Mckennj3
13 years ago
I think the last line must be a typo, didn't we draft Quinn in 2009?
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13 years ago

I think the last line must be a typo, didn't we draft Quinn in 2009?

Originally Posted by: Mckennj3 




Correct. They have a typo.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I watched the Super Bowl XLV last night. First time I've watched the entire thing and this time it was on my new TV in HD. Freaking awesome!

Anyhow, I really like watching James Starks. The dude is tough. He runs bow-legged though and I think it hinders his speed, but improves his balance.
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13 years ago
This will be atransition year.

Ted as usual has repleacements/competition on the roster if anyone stumbles or gets hurt.

Soon Jackson and Grant will gone. Starks and Green are the future.
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cooolbeans08
13 years ago
As far as I know, McCarthy has never been one to share carries. I wouldn't expect that to change.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

As far as I know, McCarthy has never been one to share carries. I wouldn't expect that to change.

Originally Posted by: cooolbeans08 



I think the Packers had a run by committee during the first half of '07 until Ryan Grant came along.


You are correct, Mike McCarthy prefers a one back backfield. He has said (the article is here somewhere) that he'll probably split carries. I don't know for sure how, but I'm guessing probably 70/30 Ryan/James. If not MORE for Ryan. I'd rather get every ounce out of Ryan Grant while the Packers can and then let him ride off while James Starks takes over the following year to pursue the Packers hat-trick of Super Bowl victories.
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hellentrybuck
13 years ago

As far as I know, McCarthy has never been one to share carries. I wouldn't expect that to change.

Originally Posted by: cooolbeans08 



me think so .mbybe this is gonna be thier stractegy.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

I think the Packers had a run by committee during the first half of '07 until Ryan Grant came along.


You are correct, Mike McCarthy prefers a one back backfield. He has said (the article is here somewhere) that he'll probably split carries. I don't know for sure how, but I'm guessing probably 70/30 Ryan/James. If not MORE for Ryan. I'd rather get every ounce out of Ryan Grant while the Packers can and then let him ride off while James Starks takes over the following year to pursue the Packers hat-trick of Super Bowl victories.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Why are pigeon-holing MM like this? The reason he has been a one back coach is because he hasn't had the talent behind Grant up until now, (besides the wonderful blocking skills of Brandon Jackson [sarcasm]).

MM is about exploiting matchups on the field, and he is damn good at it. Starks is a weapon and it remains to be seen if Green is as well. Right now, I don't see Grant getting another contract in GB, but we'll see how it plays out.
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13 years ago
I hope they keep 4 RBs and 2 FBs this year. Brandon Jackson as a receiver on screens is extremely underrated.
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