go.pack.go.
13 years ago
He has 37 career tackles? Wow, more than I thought.
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beast
13 years ago

He has 37 career tackles? Wow, more than I thought.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



Yeah he hasn't been on the field often but he's been pretty good at getting to the ball when he was. I wish youtube still had the college highlight tapes of him (and Korey Hall) but they seem to take them down after a while.

But Harrell looked clearly like a top 5 pick if he didn't have all those injuries in college and didn't come out the year of the playmakers (Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, LaRon Landry, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Revis ... and there were others that were flashy...)

He recovered from all of his college injuries fine... his big injury that he's never fully recovered from is his back injury which I think I've read happened in the Packers weight room. The guy had huge potential...

But why not give him another chance? ... he beat out Wynn for a spot last year... and if Jenkins goes and then Harrell might have a shot at being the 6th DL guy again... and if someone can't take it from him then do they deserve it? ... after all he is still working with a bad back...

Raji, Pickett, Green, Neal, Wilson, Harrell, Guy, Wynn, Ross

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go.pack.go.
13 years ago
Yeah he does seem to have the talent that it takes. I just hope he can get healthy. Maybe this lockout (and missing last season) will help fully heal his back. I felt so bad for him after he went out with that ACL injury.
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The_Claymaker
13 years ago

Wouldn't there be a settlement that cost about 1.18 mil if they cut him?

He does have a contract. You can't just up an break a contract without some consequence.

If that is the case, see if he can make it.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Yes there would be a cap hit (Assuming any sort of resemblance to the past CBA). There have been a few posts on here indicating that we could just cut someone and they're contract is terminated with no consequences. Some people here the fact that "NFL contracts aren't guaranteed". It's not that they are 0% guaranteed it's that they are not 100% guaranteed. Everyone always talks about $X guaranteed dollars a player gets when he signs a contract, you are going to make that much money whether you are cut or not. With all that being said his contract isn't that much and the savings for cutting him wouldn't be that much. At least let him show up to camp and see if he can be a serviceable 5 tech.
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13 years ago

Yes there would be a cap hit (Assuming any sort of resemblance to the past CBA). There have been a few posts on here indicating that we could just cut someone and they're contract is terminated with no consequences. Some people here the fact that "NFL contracts aren't guaranteed". It's not that they are 0% guaranteed it's that they are not 100% guaranteed. Everyone always talks about $X guaranteed dollars a player gets when he signs a contract, you are going to make that much money whether you are cut or not. With all that being said his contract isn't that much and the savings for cutting him wouldn't be that much. At least let him show up to camp and see if he can be a serviceable 5 tech.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker 



One of the ways that cutting a player causes a cap hit is that the signing bonus is prorated over the whole contract. If a player is cut with 2 years to go on his contract (Not Harrell) instead of spreading the bonus over the remaining 2 years it is all added to the cap of the year in which he is cut.

In Harrell's case even if he is cut he will still have 1 year's worth of his bonus money applied to the 2011 cap.
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macbob
13 years ago

Yeah he hasn't been on the field often but he's been pretty good at getting to the ball when he was. I wish youtube still had the college highlight tapes of him (and Korey Hall) but they seem to take them down after a while.

But Harrell looked clearly like a top 5 pick if he didn't have all those injuries in college and didn't come out the year of the playmakers (Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, LaRon Landry, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Revis ... and there were others that were flashy...)

He recovered from all of his college injuries fine... his big injury that he's never fully recovered from is his back injury which I think I've read happened in the Packers weight room. The guy had huge potential...

But why not give him another chance? ... he beat out Wynn for a spot last year... and if Jenkins goes and then Harrell might have a shot at being the 6th DL guy again... and if someone can't take it from him then do they deserve it? ... after all he is still working with a bad back...

Raji, Pickett, Green, Neal, Wilson, Harrell, Guy, Wynn, Ross

Originally Posted by: beast 



These are the same arguments that have been advanced year after year ever since he was drafted. I was OK with waiting and seeing initially, but I no longer have any confidence in him actually being able to stay healthy and on the field. Even if he made the team, he's a high risk week in and week out to be back on the IR list.

And I'm not willing to pay the 1/2 million to sign him to a roster bonus (money he's NOT entitled to or it would have been a guaranteed bonus, not a roster bonus). He's in the 5th year of a 6 year contract. Accelerating the 6th year of his original guaranteed bonus to this year would not have an incredible effect on the cap, and likely lower than the $1.2M salary + roster bonus impact on the cap.

I've bolded the parts of your quote above that sum it up for me. I would have worded your last paragraph:

But why give him another chance?...after all he is still working with a bad back, and recovering from a torn ACL...

Harrell's own quote sums it up best for me:

"Being there four years with my rash of injuries and the lack of production, a lot of people are surprised that I'm still there," Harrell said.

Harrell wrote:



If we can't rely on him to be on the field, then in my opinion we need to look for a more reliable option.
nerdmann
13 years ago
The back seems to be resolved. The leg injury could have happened to anyone. If we had Jolly and Jenkins coming, back I don't think we'd have room for him. But I think he gets a chance to make the team this year.
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IronMan
13 years ago

Cut him and save the $1.2M (salary + roster bonus). We've poured enough money down the drain as it is.

Originally Posted by: macbob 


beast
13 years ago

The back seems to be resolved.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Watching him in last year training camp... I'm still not sure his back was 80% of where it was before the back injury... but it was good enough for him to stay on the field.

These are the same arguments that have been advanced year after year ever since he was drafted. I was OK with waiting and seeing initially, but I no longer have any confidence in him actually being able to stay healthy and on the field. Even if he made the team, he's a high risk week in and week out to be back on the IR list.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



All I'm saying is the guy had (past tense) a ton of potential and I think you should let your guys compete and keep the best ones, while also counting position depth and future potential (good and bad) into the equation.

Harrell still has potential on the field but his potential to be injured seems to be even higher. So he would need to out play guys... and it seems as last year he out played Wynn as they keep over Wynn...

As for position depth the team seems to normally keep 6 DL guys. With out Jenkins my guess would be Raji, Pickett, Green, Neal and Wilson getting in as the top 5... leaving one spot to battle for between Harrell, Wynn, Guy and the other DL guys.... with Guy getting some help as they count potential much more for draft picks/rookies it seems...

They might keep 7 if two of them stepped up and show something or if Guy showed potential and one other step up.

But why give him another chance?...after all he is still working with a bad back, and recovering from a torn ACL...

Originally Posted by: macbob 


Because you want the best guys and want them to compete for it. If they can't beat him out while he's working with a bad back and recovering from a torn ACL do they really deserve a spot on the team?
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macbob
13 years ago
If it's not going to cost us anything, then sure, let him compete.

If it's going to cost us almost $600K to find out ($575K roster bonus) or the possibility of owing him yet another season salary due to incurring yet another injury, then I wouldn't be willing to waste the $$ on the slim chance that he'll be any good after essentially being out of football the last 5 years (4 years NFL & senior year college) in which he's played in a grand total of 17 games).

If he's healthy enough to pass his physical, then pass him and cut him before his brokenankle-reaggravatedankle-rightlegsurgery(2003)-ankleinjury(2004)-tornbiceps(2006)-herniateddisk-sorehip(2008)-tornacl(2010) flare up again.
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