Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Wanting special treatment, isn't that kind of being a hypocrite for the motive behind the lawsuit?


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/19/peyton-manning-and-drew-brees-request-settlement-terms/ 

Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson aren’t the only Brady antitrust plaintiffs that will want a little sweetening of the pie.

Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both are requesting to be exempt from the franchise tag for the rest of their careers, according to Greg A. Bedard of the Boston Globe.

Bedard’s source says that would be effective immediately, which would conceivably make Manning an unrestricted free agent next week. (Now that would fun.) Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com confirmed Bedard’s report. This could slow the process down a bit, but we find it hard to believe the plaintiffs couldn’t be settled quickly, one way or another.

The NFLPA* appears sensitive to the P.R. of players looking like bad guys in the process.

“Rely on the process and rely on your player leadership to get you the right information. Don’t let ‘anonymous sources’ influence you,” NFLPA* spokesman George Atallah wrote on Twitter.

We think there is room for all of the above to be completely accurate. It is not a surprise Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson are trying to get what they can.

That doesn’t mean the players will get what they want, but it’s part of the “process” that Atallah describes.

Gregg Rosenthal wrote:


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Pack93z
14 years ago
I had posted this in the lockout thread.. its own thread works too.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
14 years ago
Good.. I hope the rest of the NFL takes their asses to the turf a couple of times this season.. hard.



Granted this is just a punter and well we all know next to QB's and Kickers.. don't know jack about hitting people. ;)





The Manning, Brees, Mankins, Jackson backlash begins



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With four of the 10 named plaintiffs who supposedly are representing all players trying to cut their own deal, possibly at the risk of blowing up the entire settlement, the other 1,896 players can’t be all that happy about this.


Now, at least one of them has gone on the record.  (Sure, he’s a punter.  But he’s still technically a player.)


Vikings punter Chris Kluwe has posted the following message on his Twitter page:  “Sigh, and once again greed is the operative byword. Congrats Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson for being ‘that guy’.  #douchebags.


We love you, Chris Kluwe.  Even though you’re just a punter.




"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Oops, my mistake. I didn't see that one.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Vikings punter Chris Kluwe has posted the following message on his Twitter page:
“Sigh, and once again greed is the operative byword. Congrats Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson for being ‘that guy’. #douchebags.“


lmao, that's freaking awesome.
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Wade
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14 years ago
This is the second time in just a few days that a punter of all people was cool to listen to. And a VIking punter at that. ROFL at Kluwe.

Laughter aside, though, I don't know why anyone should be surprised that Manning, Brees, et al want "special terms." This happens all the time in litigation.

People don't just "put their name on" mega-million dollar lawsuits out of a sense of collective identity and team unity. They put their name on mega-million lawsuits because they're expecting to get something more by virtue of having their name there rather than someone else's name there. And a big part of that "something more" is more influence at "settlement time."

WHen a lawsuit gets to the stage where "let's settle" becomes the dominant pressure, it helps to have your name on the documents. If you think your interest has some "extra complications" or things that "not a lot of others in the group are as worried about"? ANd those things matter to you? Then get your name on the papers.

Litigation happens when the hurt from not litigating gets personal. You don't sue because "everyone's getting fucked over". If everyone's fucked, you get some other moron to deal with the lawyers and the courts and the bad press and the mickey mouse shit. You litigate because you personally are getting fucked over and because you don't trust "everyone" to do what you think needs to be done.

Peyton and Brees and Brady are really really big names (arguably the biggest). But there are a heckuva lot of "big names" out there who didn't put there name on the lawsuit? WHy is that? Do people really think the named plaintiffs care "more" about the "players as a whole" than all those other big names. Dream on.

Do you really expect Logan Mankins to put his name on the dotted line of the original filings, even though dozens of players with at least as much "star power/influence," just because he was gung ho for the team. Give me a break.

Anyone who puts his name on a lawsuit without being driven by his "personal" stake in the thing is a damn fool. (Most people are damn fools when they litigate anyway, but IMO it is naively moronic to do it just for the "common good.")

If my name were on the documents, and the "collective" bargaining hadn't fully taken into account my key personal stake, then damn straight I'd be pushing for special treatment. And the more everyone else is saying "it has to be done right now", the more of an asshole I'd be.

Because this is the time where my influence to get what I went into this for is as big as its ever going to be.

Sorry, but litigation happens because playing nice doesn't work. If you have to sue, you've already decided that its necessary at some point to be an asshole.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Pack93z
14 years ago
I will agree with most of your stance.. but then Brees more so than anyone shouldn't be selling the fact that he is in it for all players. Reading his drivel for the past months and then he pulls this.. then shut the hell up through the process and wait for your "special" status.



Now I really want Matthews come off the corner and bury his ass.. and take his time getting up. lol.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Wade
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14 years ago

I will agree with most of your stance.. but then Brees more so than anyone shouldn't be selling the fact that he is in it for all players. Reading his drivel for the past months and then he pulls this.. then shut the hell up through the process and wait for your "special" status.



Now I really want Matthews come off the corner and bury his ass.. and take his time getting up. lol.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Don't disagree with any of this.

Which is why I also like to argue that "everything said during litigation by parties or their representatives should be ignored by the rest of us."

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I will agree with most of your stance.. but then Brees more so than anyone shouldn't be selling the fact that he is in it for all players. Reading his drivel for the past months and then he pulls this.. then shut the hell up through the process and wait for your "special" status.

Now I really want Matthews come off the corner and bury his ass.. and take his time getting up. lol.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




And yet some don't understand why or how some fans could be annoyed ...


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PackerTraxx
14 years ago
Selfish, greedy bastards. Karma can be a bitch...
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