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14 years ago

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/27501/breaking-down-tight-ends-green-bay 

Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson breaks down the tight ends of each NFC North team. Today: Green Bay Packers.

Jermichael Finley is not the best tight end in all of football yet, but he very soon will be. In fact, I am flat-out smitten with the guy. Finley is very special. I think he is a combination of Antonio Gates and Calvin Johnson and truly cannot be covered with one NFL defensive player. He is a receiving specimen without weakness. Finley began the season as Aaron Rodgers’ top option in an excellent passing game, but Finley was lost for the season in Week 4 with a knee injury. Just imagine what Green Bay's fantastic offense will look like next year when Finley is back in the mix.

After Finley went down last season, the Packers turned to a rookie, Andrew Quarless. Quarless has ability, but overall, he was a little disappointing. He looks like a backup who needs to become much more consistent and work on the finer points of playing his position. But rookie tight ends rarely flourish, so he could improve in 2011. Still, Finley caught as many passes as Quarless did last season, and Finley played only four games.

The Packers used a fifth-round pick on tight end D.J. Williams. Williams could seriously cut into Quarless’ playing time. Williams is an undersized tight end but was an exceptional college receiver. The Packers will probably get very creative with how they use and align the rookie.

Linebacker-turned-tight end Spencer Havner found the end zone quite a bit in 2009 considering his limited role in this offense. He contributes on special teams but was a complete non-factor on offense last season.

Tom Crabtree and Donald Lee were factors for the Super Bowl champs last season. But neither player is a mismatch in the passing game and both are now liabilities as blockers. Lee was cut in March, and it wouldn’t be surprising if neither player were on Green Bay’s opening day roster.

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Greg C.
14 years ago
Not much of an analysis. He doesn't even mention that the Packers drafted a second tight end, and he lumps Crabtree in with Donald Lee, even though they are very different players. (Lee: old, useless, and already cut; Crabtree: young, decent special teams player, quite possibly could stick with the team and improve.) I hope this guy didn't get paid too much to write this.
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PackerTraxx
14 years ago
Plus, all I read said Crabtree was a good blocker - no?
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Yerko
14 years ago
Crabtree is the best blocking tight end we have. Why does he say that he is now a liability? Am I missing something?
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
It took Finley a year and a half to get in sync with the offense. I think Quarless should be afforded the time to understand it as well as Finley.

I think Quarless will catch on a little faster because of being forced into the role sooner than he would have if allowed to develop naturally.

Finley was working pretty hard on his blocking during the off season last year. Quarless was know for his blocking at Penn State. Crabbtree isn't out only TE that can block.
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14 years ago

Not much of an analysis. He doesn't even mention that the Packers drafted a second tight end, and he lumps Crabtree in with Donald Lee, even though they are very different players. (Lee: old, useless, and already cut; Crabtree: young, decent special teams player, quite possibly could stick with the team and improve.) I hope this guy didn't get paid too much to write this.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 





I was thinking about the same thing.  poor limited analysis.



It took Finley a year and a half to get in sync with the offense. I think Quarless should be afforded the time to understand it as well as Finley.



I think Quarless will catch on a little faster because of being forced into the role sooner than he would have if allowed to develop naturally.



Finley was working pretty hard on his blocking during the off season last year. Quarless was know for his blocking at Penn State. Crabbtree isn't out only TE that can block.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 





Right.  People seem to think that GB is desperate to have their 2nd-3rd TE be all world in order to succeed.  They don't seem to want to factor in that Quarless was a rookie.
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nerdmann
14 years ago
Quarless dropped a few, but he did way more than Finley did when Finley was a rookie. Quarless doesn't have Finley's skills, but he's gonna be very good.
Another issue is that the Packers don't really have "TEs" in the traditional sense. We have "H-Backs." They play fullback and they run routes. It's kind of a hybrid position. So yeah, we've got a few, but we're probably gonna be cutting some FBs this year too.
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beast
14 years ago

To me it looked like Quarless was getting down field and moving faster than Finley was.

That being said Quarless seemed to drop a ton of passes he's way and at points it seemed pointless to throw it his way because of it. (Also I wonder if he needs to get his eyes check because sometimes it looked like he'd lose track of the ball more than other guys).

Also Finley was playing in the system when they had it based around him. When he went down MM tried to plug in the other TEs but they couldn't do well enough so MM switched the system to focus back around the WRs and Quarless was then running a lot of clearing routes trying to go deep and get the attention of a Safety and get the Safety to follow him to open up underneath for the WR. That could of had a factor in why Quarless looked faster... because Finley wasn't running clearing routes (or who knows Quarless could be faster... he did run a faster 40 combine time then Finley as well as faster pro day 40)
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

To me it looked like Quarless was getting down field and moving faster than Finley was.

That being said Quarless seemed to drop a ton of passes he's way and at points it seemed pointless to throw it his way because of it. (Also I wonder if he needs to get his eyes check because sometimes it looked like he'd lose track of the ball more than other guys).

Also Finley was playing in the system when they had it based around him. When he went down MM tried to plug in the other TEs but they couldn't do well enough so MM switched the system to focus back around the WRs and Quarless was then running a lot of clearing routes trying to go deep and get the attention of a Safety and get the Safety to follow him to open up underneath for the WR. That could of had a factor in why Quarless looked faster... because Finley wasn't running clearing routes (or who knows Quarless could be faster... he did run a faster 40 combine time then Finley as well as faster pro day 40)

Originally Posted by: beast 



He had 2 drops in 33 attempts.
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beast
14 years ago

He had 2 drops in 33 attempts.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



According to ESPN he dropped 3 in 34 attempts which is 8.8%.. which is tied for 8th worse in the NFL for TEs. According to ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/andrew-quarless 

That was just during the season... the post season I remember in one drive Rodgers threw it to him 3 times and they all hit him and he didn't catch any of them. (I think it was bump and run coverage on the outside with a blitz so Rodgers was trying to hit the quick check down, but Quarless wasn't getting his head around to locate the ball in time). It happen once or twice they got the first and happen once or twice again... I think it happen 3 times a quick period of time.

They also switch Quarless role to be the clearer and run a deep route to get the safety to bit and have a WR run underneath route. Plus I'm guessing that doesn't count all the times he couldn't find the ball or tripped him self up or the playoffs. Such as the Flynn ST pass where he was wide open with a good pass and he so should of had it but tripped over himself or a couple blades of grass...


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