Josh Bell not getting SB ring ·

vikesrule
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Well, what do you cheesehead think of this?

Bell uncertain why he's not getting a Super Bowl ring
The agent for Packers cornerback Josh Bell said his client has not been invited to the team's Super Bowl ring ceremony Thursday in Green Bay and doesn't know why.

Bell injured his foot in the team's intrasquad scrimmage Aug. 7 and was placed on injured reserve three days later. He chose to rehabilitate his injury with the team rather than accept an injury settlement and be released immediately.

The Packers aren't expected to bring Bell back once the NFL lockout is over.

"His time there, as part of the organization, he enjoyed it," said Bell's agent, Frederick Lyles. "This is kind of a surprise. It’s unfortunate. I don’t know if it’s an oversight, considering the attention being paid to the lockout. We just haven’t been able to reach them and find out."

The Packers signed Bell to a two-year deal on Nov. 24, 2009 after they lost cornerback Al Harris to a season-ending injury. Bell played in four games for the Packers and played solidly at times, but was best remembered for allowing a last-second touchdown to receiver Mike Wallace in a 37-36 loss to Pittsburgh.

The Packers felt Bell was worth keeping around and brought him back for training camp last summer, hoping he would compete for a nickel or dime position.

The Packers wouldn't comment specifically on Bell not receiving a ring.

"We haven’t discussed those details publicly," club spokesman Aaron Popkey said. "We feel it’s an internal matter out of respect for everyone involved."......

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Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

Well, what do you cheesehead think of this?

Originally Posted by: vikesrule

Seen it, didn't care. I don't see why not give him one. Not giving him one does more harm than giving him a ring would do good.

Nonstopdrivel
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14 years ago

It does seem peculiar that they would give Harris one but not Bell.

beast
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14 years ago

Honestly I feel bad for him. Yeah he didn't play a single down but he was on the team. This is very possibly a once in a life time thing. Unless he did something wrong that hurt team chemistry or something I don't see why not just give it to him (well other than it cost a lot of money...)

I think that felt like they had to drop the line some where and they were willing to cut him loose with an injury settlement and he choose not to. So that was the line to also not give other guys like Will Blackmon who was in the same position but choose the injury settlement.

Of course they made a special case for Harris and they're giving him one but he was had been with the Packers a good while and started all that time.

beast
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14 years ago

It does seem peculiar that they would give Harris one but not Bell.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

I think the difference is they were willing to let Bell go on an injury settlement at the start of the year (like Blackmon)... Blackmon took the settlement... Bell didn't and they weren't willing to give Harris and injury settlement at the start of the year. (plus Harris is a lot time starts and player for the Packers while Bell an Blackmon weren't)

But I think that's where they drew the line for IR guys... weather they were going to keep them or not at the start of the year.

I wonder if any practice squad players will get a ring (Kuhn did as a practice squad player with the Steelers)

Zero2Cool
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It does seem peculiar that they would give Harris one but not Bell.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

How so? Al Harris was a fixture in the Packers secondary for quite a few years. Josh Bell played one, maybe two seasons of spot duty at best?

macbob
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14 years ago

Feel a little bad for Bell, but to me it seems logical to treat him the same as Blackmon. Offered both of them injury settlements, main difference is one took it the other didn't.

porky88
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14 years ago

He should get a ring. He stayed with the team and rehabbed with the team in Green Bay throughout the season. Al Harris got a ring largely for the same reason, though he was on PUP and not IR.

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wpr
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14 years ago

I am sure there are grounds for giving him a ring just as there are grounds/reasons for not doing so. It would have been more compelling if Bell played for GB last season.

macbob
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He should get a ring. He stayed with the team and rehabbed with the team in Green Bay throughout the season. Al Harris got a ring largely for the same reason, though he was on PUP and not IR.

Originally Posted by: porky88

Porky, I would agree with you except for the injury settlement offer, which indicated that they did not intend to keep Bell on the team and wanted to cut the strings. Al Harris was different--team was interested in keeping him and wasn't offering him an injury settlement at the beginning of the season.

nerdmann
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14 years ago

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Think Bell KNOWS why they aren't giving him one? Maybe he did something.

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vikesrule
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Think Bell KNOWS why they aren't giving him one? Maybe he did something.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Fair or not...

"The Packers signed Bell to a two-year deal on Nov. 24, 2009 after they lost cornerback Al Harris to a season-ending injury.
Bell played in four games for the Packers and played solidly at times, but was best remembered for allowing a last-second touchdown to receiver Mike Wallace in a 37-36 loss to Pittsburgh."

wpr
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Originally Posted by: vikesrule

And? You are implying that the players who were on the team in 2009 should get a ring too? Cause they are certainly not going to withhold a ring simply because of 1 play in 2009. If you look at the photo, the ball was thrown in the perfect spot. No way to defend that pass. There were a lot of other plays that happened during that drive that the defense as a whole fell down on. The score is on the entire unit not just Bell. But the team got their revenge and then some in Texas in 2011. 👍 Bet the Vikings and their fans can never had said that. [roflmao]

Nonstopdrivel
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Totally off topic, but out of curiosity, I want to ask a question that picture always raises for me: It is often said that that pass was thrown perfectly, and that there was no way Bell could have defended it. Why is that? It is probable that in order to have tipped the pass away, he would have had to be in such a position that his feet were out of bounds. Would it have been illegal for him to defend the pass if he were out of bounds?

gbguy20
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or if he was about a foot and a half forward. The pass is indefensible at his current position yes, but had he had better positioning, easy. You can say that about everything though 😉

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How so? Al Harris was a fixture in the Packers secondary for quite a few years. Josh Bell played one, maybe two seasons of spot duty at best?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Al also played for a different team during the season..No?

In my eyes, Bell stayed with the team, Al played for another team, and if Al gets one, so should Bell

Zero2Cool
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Al also played for a different team during the season..No?

In my eyes, Bell stayed with the team, Al played for another team, and if Al gets one, so should Bell

Originally Posted by: longtimefan

Al Harris with the Green Bay Packers
2009 	Green Bay Packers 	10 	10 	34 	29 	5 	1.0 	-- 	5 	2 	29 	14.5 	29 	0 	0
2008 	Green Bay Packers 	12 	12 	24 	23 	1 	0.0 	-- 	9 	-- 	-- 	0.0 	-- 	-- 	0
2007 	Green Bay Packers 	16 	16 	37 	33 	4 	0.0 	-- 	9 	2 	17 	8.5 	17 	0 	0
2006 	Green Bay Packers 	16 	16 	41 	35 	6 	0.0 	-- 	14 	3 	39 	13.0 	34 	0 	0
2005 	Green Bay Packers 	16 	16 	53 	46 	7 	3.0 	0 	10 	3 	30 	10.0 	22T 	1 	1
2004 	Green Bay Packers 	16 	16 	62 	56 	6 	0.0 	-- 	19 	1 	29 	29.0 	29 	0 	0
2003 	Green Bay Packers 	16 	16 	47 	45 	2 	0.0 	0 	11 	3 	89 	29.7 	56T 	1 	1

Josh Bell with the Green Bay Packers
2009 	Green Bay Packers 	4 	0 	5 	5 	0 	0.0 	-- 	0 	-- 	-- 	0.0 	-- 	-- 	0

Wade
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Once upon a time, I seem to remember reading that it was the players who decided who got rings. Not just the admin.

And if so, does that change things at all with respect to the rightness/wrongness of Bell not getting one?

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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

or if he was about a foot and a half forward. The pass is indefensible at his current position yes, but had he had better positioning, easy. You can say that about everything though 😉

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Yeah the pass was in the prefect spot for where Bell was and how he was covering. And if Bell moved to right in front there he would of knocked that pass down. BUT it's unfair to move one guy, because for every action there is a reaction and if Bell was in front of the WR like suggested then Big Ben would of thrown a deeper pass throwing away from Bell just like he did in the first place.

The point of a good pass is to throw it where your guy can get it but the other team can't and the best way to do that is throw to the opposite side of defender which is what Big Ben did... Bell was on the back inside, Ben Big threw it to the front inside.

Bell played it very well for being one on one and with all the time he had to cover. The problem with that play is he shouldn't of been one on one... Bigby didn't come over to help at all... in that nickel zone coverage with the very limited time left Bigby should of had the back inside part of that zone (unless they called something special... but I didn't see the reason to call something special) and Bell should of had the front outside (outside because of the the limited time left... other wise the inside would of been better).

In that position of no help over the top I think Bell had two options, try to play man coverage which he did for a little while before switching to the other choice of playing deep inside which it would means the WR would have to beat him or Big Ben would need a very good past to the front outside (which he did). So yes Bell gave up the Touch Down... but he was in very good position. It's simple that a great throw and placement by both the QB and WR beats good position coverage.

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Originally Posted by: macbob

I understand that point, but the fact remains he was on the team and stayed with the team throughout the entire season. He didn't go home and rehab. He stayed with the team and I believe was on the sideline during games. Regardless of the way you look at it, he was a member of the team. I think the organization needs to be the better man in this case. They usually correct their mistakes, so I suspect they will.

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