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(And if you raise taxes, you don't have to cut spending.)

In a perfect world?... Raise taxes in a more progressive manner.

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We're already paying WAY too high of taxes. Even raiseing it a little is too much.
We are taxed to earn money, to buy things, and then to save money. If you sat down and figured it all out, i bet well over half of what you make goes for taxes. Wage tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, savings tax. It's insane.
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(And if you raise taxes, you don't have to cut spending.)

In a perfect world?... Raise taxes in a more progressive manner.

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We're already paying WAY too high of taxes. Even raiseing it a little is too much.
We are taxed to earn money, to buy things, and then to save money. If you sat down and figured it all out, i bet well over half of what you make goes for taxes. Wage tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, savings tax. It's insane.

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Move to Canada Cheesey, you'll find out in a hurry how good we have it.
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People who can't debate an issue without resorting to using Hate Speech are going to be called out for being stupid and ignorant. Tag! You're "it!"

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I just relate the Tea Party to my friends who make good money, don't think they should have to pay any taxes, hate all minorities and welfare cases and think this country is only for the anglo races that supposedly made the country what it once was (that is facism). I repeatedly pick on the Tea Party because I believe the party to be mostly just like my friends, that I have distanced myself from.
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Wow......i consider myself a conservative, and most of what the tea party stands for makes sense to me. And i'm not against paying taxes (RESONABLE taxes) i'm not a racist, see that some people really do need help and are not against helping those that are really in need, and not just lazy.
But because of my beliefs it sounds like you'd label me a racist..
That's sad.
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Wow......i consider myself a conservative, and most of what the tea party stands for makes sense to me. And i'm not against paying taxes (RESONABLE taxes) i'm not a racist, see that some people really do need help and are not against helping those that are really in need, and not just lazy.
But because of my beliefs it sounds like you'd label me a racist..
That's sad.

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All I'm saying is there's a lot more beneath the surface than lowering taxes and realing in spending. They call Obama a socialist, or communist, or even the antichrist - if they are the polar opposites and take up that cross, it makes them fascists. Reasonable people leave their politics in the middle. You're not anything to me Cheesey but my friend, but I won't be talked into joining those tea baggers.
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OK Dakota.....(i like you too!) I never agree 100% with ANY of the "talking heads".
I don't disagree with everything Obama says. Just most of what he says. LOL!
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OK Dakota.....(i like you too!) I never agree 100% with ANY of the "talking heads".
I don't disagree with everything Obama says. Just most of what he says. LOL!

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Don't worry, Barry's been bought off, and isn't even a threat to your way of life anymore. If I were a left wing democrat, I'd want his head on plate.
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14 years ago

So hammering Obama with the Socialist and Communist labels for the last 3 years was what - ethical, righteous. Plenty of name calling bull shit comes from the far right when they aren't in power - all I'm doing in here is playing devils advocate and throwing out things that people think but won't say. The propoganda out of the Fox network sickens me

You pay too many taxes as opposed to what western civilized country with a comparible standard of living to ours? I say you are provided plenty of service and opportunity for your tax dollar. Are you speaking Arabic our Chinese yet. That military we employ costs a lot of money, but you don't have to pay for it?

Anybody singles me out and calls me stupid, I'm pretty much up in their face about it. The only one that gets away with that in here is Formo because he and I have built that rapport over the years, and because I actually love the guy (he better not use that against me either). :)

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Whoa. Check my blog. See if there's any reference whatsoever to Obama as a socialist or communist. I think he's neither. The worst I said about him was that there wasn't much policy change between GWB and Obama, which I stand by.

I don't watch Fox News. You think everyone right of center watches that crap?

Careful about stooping down to someone else's level.

And no, not all reasonable people are in the center. In fact, I say the majority of centrists are too chickenshit to offend anyone, thus they stay in the center.

I'm at far right and far left on different issues, far right on guns and immigration, far left on pot and environmental issues for example.

Reasonable people think for themselves and don't let others think for them.
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So hammering Obama with the Socialist and Communist labels for the last 3 years was what - ethical, righteous. Plenty of name calling bull shit comes from the far right when they aren't in power - all I'm doing in here is playing devils advocate and throwing out things that people think but won't say. The propoganda out of the Fox network sickens me

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I'm surprised you didn't mention the birth certificate stuff. Not to mention Michelle Obama being criticized for wanting kids to be healthy. It is almost like you have to hate Obama personally or you're not a Republican.

There are reasonable people in the Republican party or who call themselves Republican. It is the party of Abe Lincoln after all. As I said before, Ron and Rand Paul are the only ones talking about cutting defense spending.

But both parties change over time and the G.W. Bush presidency and Obama's election did that to the Republican party. Not for the better IMO.
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I'm lost as to what our thread is about anymore other than beat the shit out of me. You guys might have forgotton that North Dakotans know quite a bit about the radical right. After all Gordon Kahl lived less than a hundred miles from me and his group called the Posse Comitatus is alive and well and I'm sure in full support of its more politically correct cousin the Tea party.

Just what we all need Zombie - radical people, without educations, hanging on to and exercising their right to bear arms. Should be fun to watch the next 20 years play out.

It's been fun riling you guys up, when's the draft.
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14 years ago
it has been & always will be about personal responsibility & honor. if we all took care of our own home, family, finances, & spent within our means the damn gov't wouldn't be so involved in our lives.

illinois just passed a law that drunk parents could NOT be driven home by their teenage children. seriously? there has to be a LAW for that? one tiny example of irresponsible idiots making horrible choices & then the politicians doing the same!
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I'm lost as to what our thread is about anymore other than beat the shit out of me. You guys might have forgotton that North Dakotans know quite a bit about the radical right. After all Gordon Kahl lived less than a hundred miles from me and his group called the Posse Comitatus is alive and well and I'm sure in full support of its more politically correct cousin the Tea party.

Just what we all need Zombie - radical people, without educations, hanging on to and exercising their right to bear arms. Should be fun to watch the next 20 years play out.

It's been fun riling you guys up, when's the draft.

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And we know a lot about the radical left being here in California. Let's not forget I went to HS not too far from where that guy was dragged by those idiots in the truck. I know plenty about the radical right too.

Another, education is no guarantee of intelligence or common sense. Frank Baum understood that very well.

Adults should make their own decisions. I'm was neither scared of the radical left nor the radical right. In this country, they're noisemakers. We're not going to have a bloody revolution any time soon, despite your fears. People here are too indifferent.

And 4Pack - I gave you a +1.
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I always thought a slapnuts was whoever Jeff Jarrett the wrestler was in argument with. Now it's what we call applaud points? Seems fitting.

And 4Pack sweets, what the fuck kind of parents get drunk in the precsence of their children and why would they even want to be driven home by the kids in that condition? That topic sounds pretty fucked up all the way around.
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I'm against cutting the spending on national defense.
The reason? Hoping that we never need it. Anyone that wants to attack us will think twice if they know they will have to pay for it. But if we don't have a strong military, we would be easy pickings.
The reason i keep a loaded gun in the house is in the hopes that i NEVER have to use it. But need it ONCE, and not have it, and you are screwed.
My 80 year old aunt packs. And has been trained how to use it. She LOOKS like she'd be an easy target......but i "pity the fool" that tries to attack her! LOL!
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I'm against cutting the spending on national defense.
The reason? Hoping that we never need it. Anyone that wants to attack us will think twice if they know they will have to pay for it. But if we don't have a strong military, we would be easy pickings.
The reason i keep a loaded gun in the house is in the hopes that i NEVER have to use it. But need it ONCE, and not have it, and you are screwed.
My 80 year old aunt packs. And has been trained how to use it. She LOOKS like she'd be an easy target......but i "pity the fool" that tries to attack her! LOL!

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It is inevitable that someone will hit America again. Eventually, time catches up and nobody is invincible. If someone truly hates you, they will attack without caring about repercussions. Right now, America is fighting enemies that do not care if they die.

Still, there is a misconception that cutting defense will weaken the military mite of the USA. It won't. The American navy has shrunk since the Cold War. I read that its still bigger than like the next 10 (give or take) combined.

Defense spending is out of control. It started under Bush and worsened under Obama. During Reagan, it was 500-510 billion a year with adjusted inflation. We spent almost 700B last year.

Cutting some of that is not going to enable terrorists to attack America or setup a potential Chinese invasion.

You can cut all entitlements and the budget will not be balance. Though I heard this from Rand Paul I think. His figures could be way off for all I know. Nonetheless, if you are against cutting defense spending, then you have to look at Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. If not that, you have to raise taxes I suppose. Otherwise, you will not balance the budget. Getting rid of welfare alone does not do it.
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Cheesey - You should know by now that throwing money at the government doesn't fix problems. You can double or triple the defense budget and we'd still be vulnerable.

You want to know how to be less vulnerable? I'll tell you. Pull our forces out of everywhere. Eliminate foreign aid and military aid to everyone. Give everyone in the country a shotgun or machine gun. And you can cut military spending by half and your security would be twice as good as before.

Of course, any politician who would say that would lose.
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14 years ago
History doesn't really show that gigantic militaries make nations safer (every nation with a great military has eventually fallen, after all), but it certainly shows one thing: When a nation maintains a standing army, its leaders will always, always, always find an excuse to use it -- usually overseas on politically driven missions that serve only the interests of the leaders themselves and provide no substantive benefit to the nation of the whole.

There is an old saying: Si vis pacem, para bellum. "If you would have peace, prepare for war."

False. If you prepare for war, you will have war. Period. The longest period of peace in the history of mankind -- over a millennium  -- was enjoyed by a civilization that never had any sort of military at all. By contrast, our country hasn't had a full decade of peacetime in over a century.

Maybe our ancestors over 5,000 years ago knew something we still haven't managed to figure out.
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14 years ago
I've been saying that for over a decade now NSD. We shouldn't have much of a standing army at all, yet every American family (except Quakers and registered Conscientious Objectors) should be armed. Of course let's not forget pull us out of everywhere and stop taking sides and we'll rarely if ever get attacked.

Weird how that works, but that's what history has told us.
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I've been saying that for over a decade now NSD. We shouldn't have much of a standing army at all, yet every American family (except Quakers and registered Conscientious Objectors) should be armed. Of course let's not forget pull us out of everywhere and stop taking sides and we'll rarely if ever get attacked.

Weird how that works, but that's what history has told us.

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There should be a mandatory intelligence requirement and psychological competncy to own a weapon. I hunt and kill animals every year, but I don't belong to the NRA because I disagree with everyone having the right to bear arms.

And here you thought we were all cool again with the Vegas trip right?
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Sounds good to me. After all, intelligent people never commit violent crimes .

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Now you're just trying to piss me off. I think sociopaths would be disqualified under the psychologically competent criteria. We'll just keep electing them to the US Congress.
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