Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news_items/40/news_items_more.php?id=5885§ion_id=40 

GREEN BAY While the tenuous labor negotiations between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on a new collective bargaining agreement are having an impact on any and all of the free agents-to-be, itd be hard to find a player in a tougher predicament than Green Bay Packers wide receiver James Jones.

For starters, as a four-year NFL veteran, Jones is in limbo as to whether hell be an unrestricted free agent, as he would under the rules applied during the salary cap era, or a restricted free agent, as he would be under the 2010 rules during the uncapped year, when it took six years of NFL experience to gain unrestricted status. Jones did confirm Monday that he received a qualifying offer from the Packers in the event that the 2010 rules apply

Then there are the competing desires Jones feels in his heart. After four years as a backup behind starters Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, Jones would love nothing more than to get an opportunity to start. Given that Jennings just earned his first Pro Bowl selection and the ageless Driver, who turned 36 a few days before the Super Bowl, intends to keep playing, Jones realizes such an opportunity might have to come elsewhere.

But after playing on the Super Bowl XLV champions, he also knows that hes part of a team whose window of success might just be opening.

Thus, as he attended Monday nights premiere of the Packers Super Bowl XLV Champions DVD at the Meyer Theatre in Green Bay, Jones found himself conflicted about his future and uncertain of when hell even know what his options truly are.

"My main thing going through all this is, do I want to be a starter in the National Football League? No question. Do I feel like I'm a starter? No question, Jones told a handful of reporters before the films viewing. I know we've got something great here. I mean, this team could win some championships for the next couple years. But at the same time, I do want to be a starter. I don't know if that's ever going to happen here with Donald playing until he's 40."

Jones, Jennings and Driver were the three players representing the team at Monday nights premiere, with Driver scheduled to sign copies of the DVD at the Best Buy store in Ashwaubenon when it went on sale to the public at midnight. Both Jennings and Driver said they hope their buddy is back in 2011.

"This is my first time seeing him since we won (the Super Bowl), and he's in Green Bay, so that's a good sign. I don't think I'm going to have to twist his arm, Jennings said. He's going to have to make a business decision for himself. First of all, we need the CBA to be signed for anything to happen. But he has to make the best decision for him and his family. If I have any say, it's here in Green Bay."

Added Driver: "We want J.J. back. We have a great group of guys that have great chemistry together. We all bring something different to the table, but it's truly amazing what we all can bring. To have J.J., I mean, it takes a lot of pressure off all of us. It takes pressure off Greg, it takes pressure off me, it takes pressure off Jordy (Nelson) and it takes pressure off Brett Swain. Our receivers are one of the best (units) in the game, and if we can keep ourselves together, it shows you what we can do down the stretch and for years to come."

At the same time, Driver, who went down with an ankle injury in the first half of Super Bowl XLV, made it clear on Monday night that he has no intention of retiring, especially just 42 yards shy of breaking Pro Football Hall of Famer James Loftons franchise record for receiving yards. (Driver already owns the team reception record.)

"So many people think that after you win the Super Bowl, you've got to retire, Driver said. Now I can leave (on) my own terms. I think you get to a point in your career where you just want to put a nice stamp on your legacy, and my legacy is here. One thing I want to do is have James Lofton's record. I need 42 yards to surpass him. I want my records to stand forever. My goal is to make sure that one day, no one ever wears No. 80 again.

Who will wear Jones No. 89 in 2011 is another matter. Jones caught 50 passes for 679 yards and five touchdowns in 16 regular-season games, ranking third on the team in receptions (behind Jennings 76 and Drivers 51), second in yardage (to Jennings 1,265) and second in touchdown catches (to Jennings 12). In four postseason games, he caught 11 passes for 144 yards and two TDs, including five receptions for 50 yards in Super Bowl XLV. In four years, Jones has caught 149 passes for 2,069 yards and 13 TDs in regular-season play.

Whats vexing to coaches and fans alike is Jones inconsistency in catching the ball. According to STATS LLC, Jones dropped six passes in regular season play in 2010, and he also had a game-changing fumble late in the fourth quarter of a Week 3 loss at Chicago. Jones also dropped what likely would have been long touchdowns in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, New York Jets and New York Giants, then dropped what should have been a 63-yard touchdown in the Packers NFC Wild Card victory at Philadelphia and a would-be 75-yard touchdown in Super Bowl XLV against Pittsburgh.

At the same time, Jones might have the best hands on the team, given the way hes able to pluck the ball out of the air and makes tough catches like his 20-yard touchdown against Atlanta in the NFC Divisional playoffs look routine.

For now, Jones must wait and see whether those drops have had a significant impact on the way the organization views him. Jones could draw plenty of interest on the open market from a team looking for a young player ready to emerge as a starter; on the other hand, the Packers could see him and/or Nelson as a viable alternative to Driver at a position where they must get younger eventually. Thus, Jones could have competing offers with different money, a different role and a different team outlook.

"They did tender me. My agent called, said they tendered me. I didn't ask questions about, first, second, third, or whatever the tender was. I just said, OK, whatever. We'll wait on the CBA to see what happens, Jones said. My agent said they were going to talk at the combine. But like I said, once all this CBA stuff is done, all the stuff will start falling into place. If they want me, they'll make something happen. And if they don't, they'll let me know.

"When I was coming out of college, my main goal was to stay at one place throughout my career. But at the same time, you've got to go what's best for your family and at the same time, it's not up to me. It's up to the organization. Hopefully, we can do something to keep me here. If not, I love the city, love the team, would love to come back. But it's up to them.

"Jason Wilde" wrote:



If I'm James Jones, I need to answer, do I want starter money and/or starting position? IF it's starter money, go elsewhere if you can't get a incentive laden contract to your appeal. If you want to win, he already acknowledges his best chance is with the Packers.

He also needs to answer is he really a starter if he can't beat out a 36 year old? Now, I like Donald Driver, but lets face it, he's not a Hall of Fame caliber WR.

Some will scoff when reading that James Jones may have the best hands on the team. To explain that, someone with good hands is one who can catch the ball (key word) with his hands, not his body. At times, James Jones has the softest hands on the team and probably strongest when relating it to catching the ball out of the air. Brett Favre used to say that Bubba Franks had the best hands on the team for that reason.

Catch for catch, I think the best hands on the team falls between Finley and Jones from what I've seen. If Jones can improve his concentration, he'd be a starter on the Packers and I firmly believe that.
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Cheesey
14 years ago
I like Jones, but he needs to CATCH the balls that are thrown to him. He'll make some AMAZING catches, then drop the easy ones that fall right into his hands.
Is it concentration, or something else? Does he needs glasses or something? (Not being sarcastic, maybe it's a real thing).
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peteralan71
14 years ago
I honestly feel like if Jones wanted to be a starter, he could go somewhere else and Packers fans wouldn't feel too sore about it. I think that he has made some great catches, but we need more from the guy. And he knows that. What he doesn't seem to know is that skills, and lack of skills for that matter, follow a person. No matter where he goes, he'll have the same problem, unless he gets his act together and works his ass off this offseason. If that's the case, then I believe he will leave GB. Jordy will step up like he did in the SB, and Teddy will find a #4. The best part is that this #4 receiver may not be great on other teams, but Aaron will make him look very good just like he does to every receiver, as long as he holds onto the ball.
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beast
14 years ago
Well since the Union choose to go the legal route (which most likely will take some time) then IMO most likely one of three things will happen to Jones this year...

1) NFL will win the lockout case and be able to lock the players out

2) Jones will be a RFA and no one will sign him meaning he's forced to sign his tender with the Packers and he players for the Packers next year...

3) Jones will be a RFA and some team will sign him giving the Packers two options.... Option 1 match the deal and get Jones, Option 2 not match the deal and take the draft pick they tendered Jones for away from the team that signed him...


There is also the chance that Judges gets to the final ruling in time for the season or the NFL and Union are able to make a deal work in time for the season, but seeing how much the two sides are fighting and how many different things they have to agree on or the judge has to rule on I don't think it's gonna get done before the season... but that's just a guess...
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shield4life
14 years ago
I really hope he stays, he was a big piece of the puzzle. Would be easier for us if he stayed then finding a replacement for him.
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musccy
14 years ago
Few teams have proven moreso than the Packers that performance trumps loyalty - see Al Harris, Favre, and Aaron Kampan as just a few examples.

Thus, the Packers wouldn't stick with Driver as the starter just because he's a swell guy and used to be good. James and Donald's numbers are similar, James' upside (for the last 4 years) has been better - but he's still behind Driver on the depth chart, likely due to how inconsistent and unreliable he can be.

He keeps using the Packers' loyalties to Driver as an excuse, but really he's the only reason he's not the starter here in GB. He could get starter $ AND play for a SB contender.
peteralan71
14 years ago
I like your loyalty/performance argument, but do you think they'd move him (Jones) to a #2? Or would he simply play #2 and Driver would still hold the title? Kind of like Kuhn starting at FB but Corey Hall was always the "starter" throughout the season.
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warhawk
14 years ago
They guy caught one less pass than Driver and gets plenty of playing time and opportunity so I still say it's about money and not who starts.

When a guy is quoted saying "what's best for me and my family" your talking money. I also highly doubt he believes Driver will be around until he is 40 or, if that happens, he should take over the starting position well before that.

They use Driver differently and Jones does not want what Driver does which is go places where he gets his head knocked off. Most of what jones does he has the sideline next to him.

So if he goes somewhere else how will they use him? Sometimes it's wise to be careful about what you wish for. If the guy held onto the big ones he misses he would get the ball more and be around 60 catches which is all I see him getting even with more snaps.

If you look at the teams with good QB's and good passing offenses they already have good WR's so it's more likely he gets a bigger contract from a lousy team with a lousy QB. I don't see how that helps him.
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DakotaT
14 years ago
If the Baldwin kid from Pitt drops to us, let's take him and say goodbye to Mr. Jones. 6-5 possession receiver with a huge upside. He and Finley would be death in the red zone.
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warhawk
14 years ago

If the Baldwin kid from Pitt drops to us, let's take him and say goodbye to Mr. Jones. 6-5 possession receiver with a huge upside. He and Finley would be death in the red zone.

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I have seen this pick in some mocks. It would make more sense to me to do this and take Reed in the 2nd round. The thing is there has been talk about some attitude issues with Baldwin and Ted likes high character guys.
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