zombieslayer
13 years ago

Jordy has his problems with drops as well, I honestly think Jordy would of been Super Bowl MVP if he didn't have SOOO many dang drops that game. The difference is Jones drops have come after he had his man beat and had a shot at a touchdown which make the moment stick out a lot more to the fans.

Also it could just be my memory but Driver seems to be dropping more than he normally does lately.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Yeah, it seems like we've had dropsies as a team. But what I'm getting at is that JJ's drops were epic.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
During the regular season both Jordy and James were in the 6% range for drops. Jordy actually had 9.7% drops in the playoffs.

Donald was in the 8% range with 7 regular season drops.

My point is that people are singling out Jones when it was almost the entire WR corps. Jones was not the worst offender. Just that his drops appeared to cost us games. But he is not the only one.

Jones had 1 drop in the super bowl while Nelson had 3.

Personally, I would rather see Swain as the odd man out. We wouldn't miss his 6 catches for the year. Plus one drop in the super bowl.
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beast
13 years ago

Personally, I would rather see Swain as the odd man out. We wouldn't miss his 6 catches for the year. Plus one drop in the super bowl.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



First off I still think the Refs got that wrong. I think it was a catch (and fumble) by Swain.

Second I think most would prefer to keep Jones over Swain... but you also have to think about the money side of things a bit. Jones wants the start label and be a starter next year... and people assume that also means he wants starter money. I don't think the Packers can promise Jones will beat out Driver and Nelson. While Swain should be a good bit cheaper.

And the money we save by not signing Jones might help us pay for other guys like Nelson, Sitton, Finley, Wells and maybe Grant... and etc...


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nerdmann
13 years ago

First off I still think the Refs got that wrong. I think it was a catch (and fumble) by Swain.

Second I think most would prefer to keep Jones over Swain... but you also have to think about the money side of things a bit. Jones wants the start label and be a starter next year... and people assume that also means he wants starter money. I don't think the Packers can promise Jones will beat out Driver and Nelson. While Swain should be a good bit cheaper.

And the money we save by not signing Jones might help us pay for other guys like Nelson, Sitton, Finley, Wells and maybe Grant... and etc...

Originally Posted by: beast 





Being that the drops were spread out among all these guys, my thesis has been that it's the low percentage, downfield passing that accounts for the drops. Yes I know, Aaron hits them in the hands, they should catch it. One thing that makes JJ perhaps drop more is that he's usually down the sideline, which requires a longer throw, dancing along the sideline and spinning around motions just before, or while catching the ball. Yes I know, there are no excuses. I'm just offering a possible solution.
That said, one must note that the Queens might be in the market for a starting calibur WR. They might be losing Sidney Rice. But then, they would never go after former Packers, right?
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The Vikings have made it abundantly clear that bringing back WR Sidney Rice, who might be a free agent this offseason, is one of their top priorities. The goal is to sign Rice to a long-term deal and have him stay much longer in Minnesota. They saw firsthand just how dramatic his presence was in the offense during his breakout season in 2009 and lamented his absence for the first portion of 2010, when the offense struggled badly for a variety of reasons — but Rice not being there was a major one, no doubt. However, Rice also made it clear to head coach Leslie Frazier when they spoke during the brief lifting of the lockout that Rice wants to explore his options. Right now, with the details of the CBA undetermined, the four-year veteran might or might not be free. It's more likely he will be an unrestricted free agent next season or beyond, but the team has looked into alternatives — including WR Plaxico Burress — in case Rice makes a sudden exit once free agency opens.

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

First off I still think the Refs got that wrong. I think it was a catch (and fumble) by Swain.

Originally Posted by: beast 


So do I, and so did the commentators from ESPN America. I think it should have been ruled a fumble recovered by Greg Jennings.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Being that the drops were spread out among all these guys, my thesis has been that it's the low percentage, downfield passing that accounts for the drops. Yes I know, Aaron hits them in the hands, they should catch it. One thing that makes JJ perhaps drop more is that he's usually down the sideline, which requires a longer throw, dancing along the sideline and spinning around motions just before, or while catching the ball. Yes I know, there are no excuses. I'm just offering a possible solution.
That said, one must note that the Queens might be in the market for a starting calibur WR. They might be losing Sidney Rice. But then, they would never go after former Packers, right?
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/06/17/vikings-have-plan-for-life-without-rice 
Vikings have plan for life without Rice

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


I don't see how they can be low percentage and high percentage at the same time. 65.7$ completions are not low.

If the Packers employed a low percentage passing game. I would expect a low completions percentage. Not 5th best.

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mi_keys
13 years ago

Being that the drops were spread out among all these guys, my thesis has been that it's the low percentage, downfield passing that accounts for the drops.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If it's the downfield passing that's causing the drops, why did Driver have the highest drop percentage (8.1%) of any of our receivers when he generally lines up in the slot and runs the shortest routes? Conversely, Jennings is clearly a deep ball threat and on average probably runs our deepest routes yet he had by far the lowest drop percentage (3.2%) of any of our receivers.

Short routes can be difficult to catch because the receiver has no time to track the ball's flight and adjust his body or hands. Short slants, crossing routes, and stop routes are also more likely to result in the receiver taking a huge hit when compared to a fly route or a deep out.



Source for drop statistics:
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110212/PKR01/302130031/Special-section-Green-Bay-Packers-receivers-tight-ends 
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nerdmann
13 years ago
Just because we are good at them, doesn't mean they are easier plays to make. Dunno about DD. He goes over the middle alot, that's one thing. He also was injured more this year than he has been in the past.
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mi_keys
13 years ago

Just because we are good at them, doesn't mean they are easier plays to make. Dunno about DD. He goes over the middle alot, that's one thing. He also was injured more this year than he has been in the past.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yes, he was injured. He hurt his knee and his quadricep.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

During the regular season both Jordy and James were in the 6% range for drops. Jordy actually had 9.7% drops in the playoffs.

Donald was in the 8% range with 7 regular season drops.

My point is that people are singling out Jones when it was almost the entire WR corps. Jones was not the worst offender. Just that his drops appeared to cost us games. But he is not the only one.

Jones had 1 drop in the super bowl while Nelson had 3.

Personally, I would rather see Swain as the odd man out. We wouldn't miss his 6 catches for the year. Plus one drop in the super bowl.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



What drops did James Jones commit that cost the Packers a win?
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