zombieslayer
14 years ago
I'd be happy with that compromise.

Oh, wish I can find the quote but if you read between the lines, MM's against the 18 game season. He said something along the lines of you should be able to figure out how he feels about an 18 game season after all the injuries we had in 16 games.
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14 years ago
DEAL Pack93.!!! Write it up and I will sign it.
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Formo
14 years ago

Deadline move to the 11th.. and that will pretty much seal the deal that they will have it knocked out by then.

My guess.. the players need to examine the financial docs that the owners turned over.. and that will lead to a common ground on the money.

No 18 game season.

A rookie cap.

4th year limit on RFA

Franchise tag will survive but be altered some.. guessing no consecutive years tagging a sole player.

Bumped up benefits for the retired players of some sort.. but probably won't satisfy the likes of Ditka.. etc.

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Yes.
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14 years ago
I was just looking at the Players Ex Committee. I don't know all of the players on the committee but one thing that stands out is that I don't see the egomaniac, self serving types on the committee nor are they the team player reps. It seems that playing the fool gets your name in the paper but it doesn't necessarily endear you with your teammates no matter what they say to the press.

Charlie Batch

Drew Brees

Brian Dawkins

Domonique Foxworth

Scott Fujita

Kevin Mawae - President

Sean Morey

Tony Richardson

Jeff Saturday

Mike Vrabel
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Greg C.
14 years ago
Yeah, that looks like a very solid bunch of guys, as far as I can tell. The egomaniacs aren't interested in being union reps anyway.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
The first step along the pathway of a new CBA.. albeit probably the easiest one to get to.. as both current players and the NFL were in favor of it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-rookiewagescale030911 

WASHINGTON While the NFL Players Association and owners remain far apart on the most critical issue how to split approximately $9 billion in revenues the two sides have reached agreements on a couple of smaller issues.

According to two sources familiar with the negotiations, the league and the union have reached a basic compromise on a rookie wage scale that will replace the current rookie salary cap. The owners backed off the idea of requiring first-round picks to sign five-year deals, instead limiting the contracts to four years before a player could become a free agent. The agreement is also expected to include a stipulation limiting the amount of guaranteed money and signing bonus offered to draft picks.

In addition, the league agreed that all players drafted after the first round would be limited to three-year deals, but teams would be allowed to put restricted free agent tags after the three years. Thats essentially similar to the current process where players can be tagged as restricted free agents after a three-year deal, although the existing rule allows players drafted after the first round to sign four-year pacts.

The key change is for the players in the first round. Currently, the first 16 players taken in the first round can sign for up to six years. The next 16 players taken can sign up to five years.

The reason the union wanted shorter deals is that it allows good players to get to free agency faster. While the owners and players agreed that high picks such as quarterbacks JaMarcus Russell(notes), Matthew Stafford(notes) and Sam Bradford(notes) were paid too much under the old system, it was important to the union that good players who proved themselves got a chance to cash in faster and avoid the risks of injury. Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson and Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker LaMarr Woodley(notes) are among recent late first-rounders or second-round picks who have sought (and in the case of Johnson, was granted) new contracts because they felt they had outperformed their rookie deals.

In the process, the NFL backed off its desire for what would have been potentially onerous contracts. For instance, the leagues first proposal called for the top pick in the draft to get a maximum five-year, $19 million deal. Only $6 million of that would have been guaranteed. The deal would have included no bonuses for play time or achievement, such as making the Pro Bowl.

That would have been in stark contrast to the six-year, $72 million deal that Bradford received last year. That deal included $50 million guaranteed.

We all saw the problem with the current system, but you have to give a guy a chance to get paid if hes a good player, one source said. After three years, you pretty much know if a guy is a good player.

In addition to the rookie wage scale, the NFLPA is also expected to agree on stronger language to allow teams to recoup money from players who get in trouble with the law, such as then-Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick(notes) or Plaxico Burress(notes) with the New York Giants. In the Vick case, he was allowed to keep approximately $20 million in signing-bonus money despite going to prison for dog-fighting and related charges.

In essence, the NFLPA received strong support from other players who said that players such as Vick and Burress should not be allowed to keep money in those situations.


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14 years ago
Any movement toward the new CBA is a good thing. Yesterday I was wondering why they don't get some of the easier items finalized and then move on to work on the harder issue. I guess they have been doing that without notifying me. Oh well.

The new rookie caps may well effect QBs the most. In the past teams could draft a QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. (Like ARod) It has been shown that taking a young QB and throwing him into the starters job on a weak team in many cases has not helped his development.
If the old theory that it takes 3 years to develop a QB is accurate and the QB is selected in the 2nd round. He could be a free agent and looking for a new team and a chance to be a starter before his original team has the opportunity to have him become their full time starting QB.
It will be interesting to see how the new CBA changes things.
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14 years ago

Any movement toward the new CBA is a good thing. Yesterday I was wondering why they don't get some of the easier items finalized and then move on to work on the harder issue. I guess they have been doing that without notifying me. Oh well.

The new rookie caps may well effect QBs the most. In the past teams could draft a QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. (Like ARod) It has been shown that taking a young QB and throwing him into the starters job on a weak team in many cases has not helped his development.
If the old theory that it takes 3 years to develop a QB is accurate and the QB is selected in the 2nd round. He could be a free agent and looking for a new team and a chance to be a starter before his original team has the opportunity to have him become their full time starting QB.
It will be interesting to see how the new CBA changes things.

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I think the rookie wage scale already solves the problem and creates less risks for teams choosing QB's.

Scenario 1: You pick a QB high and sign him to a long-term and bloated contract. You're most likely making him one of the top 10 paid QB's in the league. Whether he sinks or swims you're still footing that huge bill.

Scenario 2: You pick a QB high and pay him the amount he's due for his slot. If he sinks after three years you're off the hook financially. If he swims you can offer him a contract making him one of the top 10 paid QB's in the league.

Instead of investing in a player and paying him like a starter right off the bat you're allowed to put down a much smaller "down payment" to see if the player is ready for the role. If he is, you give him the starter's money, if he isn't, you let him go.

Now all of this depends on how big that "down payment" is. I have no idea how scaled back the rookie system will be.
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