Finley88Beast
14 years ago

Grant > Jackson. Not even close. Grant won't be the add man out unless he's less than 90% when he returns.

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Grant is not a third down pass protection specialist. He's a plodder between the tackles who lacks vision, quickness, cutting ability and the ability to catch the ball consistently.

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Hahaha not true at all only thing he is not good at is pass pro and maybe catching,you say he lacks vision he's a hell of a lot better than jackson,quickness he isn't the most elusive guy but I've seen the guy pick up acceleration pretty good. cutting ability the guys a one cut runner when he cuts he usually picks up good yards.

Grant is no chump he's better than jackson no question in my mind.

Lets face it grant was a huge loss im not saying jacksons bad but if your saying he's better than grant ur crazy.You can't take away 2 back to back seasons with 1200 + yards and his amazing 2007 season were he broke out.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Going into this game, I pointed out that the bar was set extremely low for Starks. All he had to do was run for more than 50 yards to represent a significant upgrade in our run game. He did more than that. How that projects out to the remainder of the season, however, remains to be seen.
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Hahaha not true at all only thing he is not good at is pass pro and maybe catching,you say he lacks vision he's a hell of a lot better than jackson,quickness he isn't the most elusive guy but I've seen the guy pick up acceleration pretty good. cutting ability the guys a one cut runner when he cuts he usually picks up good yards.

Grant is no chump he's better than jackson no question in my mind.

Lets face it grant was a huge loss im not saying jacksons bad but if your saying he's better than grant ur crazy.You can't take away 2 back to back seasons with 1200 + yards and his amazing 2007 season were he broke out.

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Well said Finley. Agreed with everything you said. Grant is underrated and grossly underappreciated by Packers fans.
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solid first game. especially when you factor in SF expecting GB to run the ball.
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14 years ago
From what was seen this week, he is quick to the hole unlike Jackson. He keeps his feet, and drives after first contact unlike Grant. If he keeps that up, he will be a good back. Still have to see his blocking and blitz pickup, as well as how he recieves the ball out of the back field but the initial look was very good.
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14 years ago

Going into this game, I pointed out that the bar was set extremely low for Starks. All he had to do was run for more than 50 yards to represent a significant upgrade in our run game. He did more than that. How that projects out to the remainder of the season, however, remains to be seen.

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You're right that if he was able to walk and chew gum at the same time we we would all still have gone gaga for him...but as has been stated by many on this thread, it was very clear that he was the better back by hitting the hole quicker, showing more speed, falling forward, getting 1-2 yards more off contact.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
You're absolutely right. It was nice having a back for once that didn't slow down, shuffle his feet, and survey the sights at the line of scrimmage.

Though he needs to learn how to tuck that ball when he returns kicks. The way he holds it out there for anyone to bat out of his hands is just asking for trouble.
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voiceofreason
14 years ago
Barring injury he will be a great heir apparent for Grant. Grant 2.0 bigger, stronger, and faster after some time in the strength and conditioning program. Count it.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Hey, if Starks is a step up from Grant, then we're winning the SB next year. Our O will be unstoppable.

I'm just saying let's give some love to Grant. He's been a top 10 RB 3 years in a row.
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14 years ago

Ryan Grant 6-1, 215 40 Time: 4.56
James Starks 6-2, 218 40 Time: 4.50

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Very interesting. Didn't he look smaller than Grant? I'm not complaining. When a guy looks smaller than he really is, that often means that he is a very good athlete. That's my own theory, so take it for what it's worth.

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I thought he looked like a linebacker
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Hey, if Starks is a step up from Grant, then we're winning the SB next year. Our O will be unstoppable.

I'm just saying let's give some love to Grant. He's been a top 10 RB 3 years in a row.

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Never said he sucks.
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Hey, if Starks is a step up from Grant, then we're winning the SB next year. Our O will be unstoppable.

I'm just saying let's give some love to Grant. He's been a top 10 RB 3 years in a row.

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Never said he sucks.

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No, you just said he's a "plodder," he lacks vision, quickness, and cutting ability, he's a bad blocker, and he can't catch the ball consistently. You also implied that he would cop an attitude if he lost his starting job. Come to think of it, you would've been a lot more charitable if you had just said he sucks.
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14 years ago
LMAO.. now we are cutting Grant because Starks ran the ball like an NFL back.. seriously we have been deprived of a good running attack this season if we have come to this.

Listen.. I was impressed with his power and instincts.. I liked his North South style.. but now we are cutting a 1400 yard back after an afternoon.

To Starks specifically.. this is exactly what we needed and he supplied more than I expected.

Now.. I want to see us repeat this type of effort.. 3 & Short.. and the overall effectiveness to the run.. next week with the Big Rook on the line for Detroit..

Thumbs up for Starks/Kuhn and that offensive line today for their efforts.

Congrats kid on the splash into the NFL.
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Hey, if Starks is a step up from Grant, then we're winning the SB next year. Our O will be unstoppable.

I'm just saying let's give some love to Grant. He's been a top 10 RB 3 years in a row.

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I'll admit that I was one of the ones who said we can do w/out Grant.

Bjack seems to be OK at blocking, and is good in the open field at making guys miss, but just sucks as an every down runner.

Night and day difference with Starks in though. I'm hoping he can stay healthy because this seems to be the only missing cog!
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Hey, if Starks is a step up from Grant, then we're winning the SB next year. Our O will be unstoppable.

I'm just saying let's give some love to Grant. He's been a top 10 RB 3 years in a row.

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Never said he sucks.

"nerdmann" wrote:



No, you just said he's a "plodder," he lacks vision, quickness, and cutting ability, he's a bad blocker, and he can't catch the ball consistently. You also implied that he would cop an attitude if he lost his starting job. Come to think of it, you would've been a lot more charitable if you had just said he sucks.

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He's had production. I don't think anyone denies he consistently leaves yards on the field.
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You need two capable running backs on any roster.. as nicks and dings happen.. so far.. Bjack has proven he isn't a every down back, Nance has shown little and Starks had a nice debut.. I think we will be holding off dropping Grant over the course of an afternoon or even the remaining games this season.

Last year it was Bjack should be the starter over Grant.. we got that wish and it flopped... in epic fashion.

I think Grant is safe. 😉
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Mckennj3
14 years ago
Really, any reference towards what to do with Grant next year is laughable. Yes, the kid looked good in his debut, and the 6th round title has nothing to do with his potential and everything to do with his injury. But seriously, let's let the kid play some football before we cut a very solid RB a lot of teams would love to have.
If Starks continues to develop and impress, I see Grant coming into TC next year with one hell of a chip on his shoulder. We all know Jackson was never an every down back (and he wasn't drafted for that) but he has a great skill set for what you look for in a 3rd down guy, he is good in blitz pickup and has sure hands.
If anyone is the odd man out here it's Hall. Kuhn moves back to his original position but brings some goal line threat with him. Quinn stays for power running and we keep 3 RB's like most teams.
Have Grant and Starks battle it out and have a snap count throughout the season, more and more teams are sharing the backfield, keeps teams more honest towards play selection and can put years on a RB's career.

All in all, at the end of the day IF we start next year with 2 solid every down backs and a 3rd down specialist, while getting our best full back back on the field, thats one hell of a 6th round pick.
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If anyone is the odd man out here it's Hall. Kuhn moves back to his original position but brings some goal line threat with him. Quinn stays for power running and we keep 3 RB's like most teams.

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I agree. Hall is good, but he can't stay on the field. He got hurt again today.
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peteralan71
14 years ago
I love to see that in his first game, he gets 18 carries. I honestly thought they'd give him 5 carries, tops. He delivered, too. Just over 4 per carry in his first game in 2 years, couldn't have asked for more. Excited to see how he does next week against a stout Detroit D-line.
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