dhazer
14 years ago

So the lesson we get from this is that the Falcons won the game because they have a better running game? Give me a break. This is not the 1970s, folks. The pass-happy Packers moved the ball more effectively today then the Falcons did. The Falcons won because they made a couple of big plays and the Packers kickoff coverage team made the big mistake.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Things are easy to overlook when running smoothly; certainly our passing game has been clicking since the Cowboys game.

Still, that should not diminish the point that had we any real RB worth a damn in terms of speed, we'd be able to take advantage of some of the opportunities that are out there.

We didn't lose because of a lack of a running game; it's wrong to suggest that.

However, there is a shitload of yardage to gain through the run because teams are playing to take the pass away. Especially when we start working our way towards the sidelines, it is surprising how much open field there is to be exploited.

The Packers, had they any sort of speed-threat at RB, would make life for Rodgers a hell of a lot easier.

Again, we did not lose because we couldn't run the ball. But that should not lead us to dismiss a very valid observation (regardless of packer98 making it) that we have been short-changed at the RB position by Ted.

"Greg C." wrote:



I have to disagree with the part that is bolded. we need a power back not a speed back. We do play on the frozen tundra not inside a dome. In the 90's we had power backs just for the late months of the year. Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green, Edgar Bennett all were power backs. You bring in a guy like Chris Johnson with that speed he is a fail in December and January. Look how we made (sorry Zero) Barry look on the frozen tundra
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14 years ago
Well, it was nice knowing you Hazer.

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blueleopard
14 years ago

I knew this thread was coming, especially with Brian Billick, the king of the coachspeak announcers, calling the game. He was harping on the difference in the running games all day long, and yet, with less than one minute left, the score was tied, and that was with the Packers having committed the game's only turnover--a fumble at the Falcons' one yard line.

So the lesson we get from this is that the Falcons won the game because they have a better running game? Give me a break. This is not the 1970s, folks. The pass-happy Packers moved the ball more effectively today then the Falcons did. The Falcons won because they made a couple of big plays and the Packers kickoff coverage team made the big mistake.

"Greg C." wrote:



You forgot to mention that we played right into their gameplan.

Atlanta thrives on time of possession and controlling the game. They were in control the entire time. Sure, we moved the ball. But they had control.

Example? They were winning the entire time.
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mi_keys
14 years ago

So the lesson we get from this is that the Falcons won the game because they have a better running game? Give me a break. This is not the 1970s, folks. The pass-happy Packers moved the ball more effectively today then the Falcons did. The Falcons won because they made a couple of big plays and the Packers kickoff coverage team made the big mistake.

"dhazer" wrote:



Things are easy to overlook when running smoothly; certainly our passing game has been clicking since the Cowboys game.

Still, that should not diminish the point that had we any real RB worth a damn in terms of speed, we'd be able to take advantage of some of the opportunities that are out there.

We didn't lose because of a lack of a running game; it's wrong to suggest that.

However, there is a shitload of yardage to gain through the run because teams are playing to take the pass away. Especially when we start working our way towards the sidelines, it is surprising how much open field there is to be exploited.

The Packers, had they any sort of speed-threat at RB, would make life for Rodgers a hell of a lot easier.

Again, we did not lose because we couldn't run the ball. But that should not lead us to dismiss a very valid observation (regardless of packer98 making it) that we have been short-changed at the RB position by Ted.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



I have to disagree with the part that is bolded. we need a power back not a speed back. We do play on the frozen tundra not inside a dome. In the 90's we had power backs just for the late months of the year. Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green, Edgar Bennett all were power backs. You bring in a guy like Chris Johnson with that speed he is a fail in December and January. Look how we made (sorry Zero) Barry look on the frozen tundra

"Greg C." wrote:



I'm with you on this one. In addition to the elements we play in favoring a power back, we don't have good enough blocking to get anyone outside anyway. If we had someone like a Mike Tolbert or Peyton Hillis who could just run someone over or push the pile we could alleviate our woes on third and short and help this team out.
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mi_keys
14 years ago

I knew this thread was coming, especially with Brian Billick, the king of the coachspeak announcers, calling the game. He was harping on the difference in the running games all day long, and yet, with less than one minute left, the score was tied, and that was with the Packers having committed the game's only turnover--a fumble at the Falcons' one yard line.

So the lesson we get from this is that the Falcons won the game because they have a better running game? Give me a break. This is not the 1970s, folks. The pass-happy Packers moved the ball more effectively today then the Falcons did. The Falcons won because they made a couple of big plays and the Packers kickoff coverage team made the big mistake.

"blueleopard" wrote:



You forgot to mention that we played right into their gameplan.

Atlanta thrives on time of possession and controlling the game. They were in control the entire time. Sure, we moved the ball. But they had control.

Example? They were winning the entire time.

"Greg C." wrote:



The time of possession was almost dead even at 28:20 to 31:40.

And that is in spite of the fact that we lost possessions to the end of both halves.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I knew this thread was coming, especially with Brian Billick, the king of the coachspeak announcers, calling the game. He was harping on the difference in the running games all day long, and yet, with less than one minute left, the score was tied, and that was with the Packers having committed the game's only turnover--a fumble at the Falcons' one yard line.

So the lesson we get from this is that the Falcons won the game because they have a better running game? Give me a break. This is not the 1970s, folks. The pass-happy Packers moved the ball more effectively today then the Falcons did. The Falcons won because they made a couple of big plays and the Packers kickoff coverage team made the big mistake.

"blueleopard" wrote:



You forgot to mention that we played right into their gameplan.

Atlanta thrives on time of possession and controlling the game. They were in control the entire time. Sure, we moved the ball. But they had control.

Example? They were winning the entire time.

"Greg C." wrote:



As mi_keys mentioned, the time of possession was almost even, so I don't see how the Packers played right into their game plan. Citing the fact that the Falcons led most of the way doesn't really qualify as analysis. I think you need to explain yourself more. What should the Packers have done differently in order to avoid playing right into the Falcons' game plan?
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dfosterf
14 years ago
Time to shove Mr. Starks into the breech.

My bet is that the biggest concern with him would be pass-blocking.

His running ability at this level is pretty much an unknown, but I personally have no problem with that. I believe from what I HAVE seen of him that he has some real potential to be something great.

I know what I had with Grant behind this shit-box line, and I liked it. I always liked how he hit a hole (or our unreasonable facsimile of one)

I know what I have with Jackson behind this shit-box line, and I don't like it. He's a chronic stutter-stepper.

I never got a real chance to see what Nance had behind this shit-box line, but I was starting to like it...he LOOKED like he could make some tough yards, even if the numbers don't necessarily reflect that perception.

This Starks kid could EASILY be something special as a running back. That is NEVER going to happen with Jackson, imo...Not with this shit-box line. I've seen more than enough to arrive at that conclusion regarding Jackson.

Maybe Starks is our dose of pure luck this year. 4 losses by a cumulative 12 points, also with a total of under 30 seconds left in regulation, and the GD OT's, we DESERVE some disgusting luck, getting tired of eating out of the sh#t-box.

Sorry for the cursing as regards our shit-box line, it was solely in the interest of laser-like accuracy with only the English language available in the repertoire. :tongue3:

I know our pass-blocking is improved. Save it. Not interested for the purposes of this thread.
Since69
14 years ago
I agree. Put in Starks on 1st & 2nd down, and let BJack be what he is: a third-down back.

I'm not saying Starks will be an improvement - I just want to see him get a chance (THIS YEAR).

Starks could be our 2010 version of the 2005 Samkon Gado...
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dfosterf
14 years ago
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That rate might not doom the Packers, but in three of their four losses, the result might have been different had they gotten another yard. For example:

Washington, 16-13, OT: The offense failed threw times to score from the 1 in the second quarter, giving up the ball on downs, and in the third quarter failed on third-and-2 at the Washington 18, settling for a field goal. Later in the quarter, it failed on third-and-1 at the Washington 29, settling for a 48-yard field goal, which Mason Crosby missed.

Miami, 23-20, OT: In the fourth quarter, it failed to convert a third-and-3 at the Dolphins 8, settling for a field goal, and gave up a sack on third-and-2 at its 30 with the game tied.

Atlanta, 20-17: Failed twice on quarterback sneaks near the end zone in the second quarter, losing the ball on Aaron Rodgers' fumble on the second one, and failed to complete passes on third and fourth downs with 1 yard to go inside Atlanta territory in the fourth quarter.

The loss to the Falcons has brought those short-yardage failures to light.

"Obviously, I'm not happy with our production from our group," offensive line coach James Campen said. "Last week was not acceptable."



I think a fair characterization of that article is that the offensive line is directly responsible for 3 of our 4 losses this year.

What was it, 17 penalties in that Bears game ? (not one of the three cited)

I'm gonna go back and look at that game too. I bet I can come up with some good reasons to blame them for that one, also. :tongue3:
That being said, and my LONG history of hating our o-line and anger at Ted for waiting too long to try and fix things, imo-

I'd be good with drafting the Alabama kid if he was still on the board-- I don't think I have ever been OK with such a thing in the past, but he looks too good to me to pass up (Mark Ingram)- And he just might be there.
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